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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9413822" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Fast enemies that tend to run away? It isn't much of a high cost, really. You deal 2d6 instead of 2d8, it is two points of damage on average. For the chance to trigger advantage for all your melee allies.You are welcome to that opinion, but I've already seen it in play. The damage is low, but fear is a great control condition. Having it on tap is very good, especially since it prevents enemies from getting past you.I agree, you do need to hit first. Know what is great? You whiff the attack? You don't spend your bonus action on the spell. So since you are theoritically trying to hit this invisible enemy anyways, the fact that the spell can now be cast on a hit is a major boon compared to before when you had to cast and concentrate on it before swinging. And if it moved from utter garbage I never prepared to mid? That's a MASSIVE boost.No, I don't understand why a paladin in melee is a bad thing.That's still a buff. Taking something from pointless trash to an actual option is a big buff.Agreed. Just having it be a save would be perfectly fine, and likely what I will do with it if they don't change it.Minimal fixes that increase useability are still buffs. I don't see how we can argue otherwise. You either buff, sidegrade, don't touch, or nerf. These are buffs, taking things from trash to actually viable options.Yes, dead is the best condition. But when the enemy has 60 hp, and you are hitting for either 20 or 29... those conditions might make a bigger difference than that damage. Thunderous smite can knock an enemy prone, giving an ally advantage on their attacks, which if that turns a miss into a hit, is a lot more than 2 damage that you added to the fight. A lot of these paladin smites are great for setting up or protecting allies, which is exactly what a paladin should be doing. And sure, we can't know the exact wording changes, and a simple shift in those could make them less good. But I'm confident that the changes they proposed got enough goodwill from the community, and they explicitly stated in an interview that they buffed these spells, that I think we are actually looking at a good situation here for paladin smiting.</blockquote>

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