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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Libramarian" data-source="post: 6079478" data-attributes="member: 6688858">You're speaking my language in this thread  @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6674889" target="_blank">Gorgoroth</a> . <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Preach the gospel of hardass gamist D&D.My friends and I play D&D in basically the same way that we play sports or strategy videogames. Not in exactly the same way, but it's in this class of thing.We have a multiplayer NBA 2K13 association going on right now, and we made it ridiculously difficult: everybody makes a brand new team (I'm the New York Post) and starts with scrubs from the free agency for every position. It takes like 3 years for us to scrape and claw and cheat the computer with trades just to get enough talent to make the playoffs. It's great!We also play Medieval II Total War like this. We use this mod that gives the computer countries free money and population every turn and turns them into super aggressive backstabbers, and try to sack Constantinople with some little poor country like Scotland or Norway.I find by-the-numbers, NPC gives you a quest, party goes and does the quest without being seriously threatened, people do some funny voices...D&D to be very boring these days. I imagine that's alright if you only play once a month, or are new to the game and still giggle whenever someone says anything in character, but I want more tension and risk in the game than this, personally.It's difficult to talk about this in mixed company unless you're careful because it's easy to offend people who prefer a more casual and/or story-based approach to the game.Mod Note: Yes it is, because oh-so-often it comes across less as "I like something different" and more as "we are *real* gamers, you guys are only casual fiddlers".  Please allow me to remind folks that if you start placing value judgements on playstyles, there's apt to be problems.  ~Umbran</blockquote>

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