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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 884390" data-attributes="member: 4049">Well, for starters, I rarely like to single out individuals since it's not the individual I'm attacking so much as the concept the person's putting forward (I know, to most people it sounds like I'm attacking the person; in my mind, I have no qualms with the person since I don't know them.  I have qualms with ideas presented.  Otherwise, the issue becomes to "personal").Secondly, I'm addressing a trend that I've seen for almost three years now; this topic just happened to capture my ire.Anyway, although I think this is fruitless:kenjib:  I think the balor is absolutely fantastic but the marilith just ruins the monster completely compared to how cool the 1e edition one was.Granted... perhaps this wasn't intended as some kind of comparison between 1ed and 3ed (and even 2ed), but it opened to door.  There's another post that compares the "cool old creature with the Indian garb" etc.  Again, in and of itself, it doesn't drag into the whole nostalgic thing, but it does feed into it.  Frankly, I don't have a problem with this statement (I don't agree with it, though); I would have had an issue with it if I got into what the next one gets into.  As it stands, it does feed into the entire 1ed vs. 3ed debates.  You do get into this thing about "emaciated" and "spikey" images, again inferring that 1ed was a better concept (you use the manticore in this case).JeffB: {mild rant}I really don't understand why WOTC is trying SO HARD artistically to tear the classic images down..the images that were pioneered by D&D....That would be like Lucas re-doing Darth Vader "Yes, I know he USED to be all black, and had a big helmet, but now he's sorta-kinda blue, and has just a small helmet where you can actually see his eyes and face!.. Cool huh?"{end mild rant}Huh?  I don't see how any "classic images" are being torn down.  Many of these "classic" images are in greater force than ever before because 3ed has tried so hard (to its benefit sometimes, to its detriment other times) to maintain the feel of 1ed.  From the names of creatures, to book titles, 3ed really has regularly nodded to 1ed.  As for comparing this to Star Wars and Vader...  The Marilith is still feminine, still serpentine, still has six arms, still wields a whole bunch of dangerous gear.  This comparison holds no water because it's inaccurate.Flexor the Mighty:  I think the art director for the 3e books must have been a really skinny guy who had a lot of tats and piercings. Since that seems to pretty much sum up the art style to me.The funny thing is that I often read and laugh at Flexor's comments because they're funny (in a good way).  Sometimes I agree with them.  But Flexor tends to come across as some kind of D&D reactionary.  I don't want to get into specifics because I'd have to go through and dig up the numerous diatribes he's put out there about how 3ed is so far removed from 1ed and I don't have time for that.  Old/original isn't any more meaningful than new/redesigned, but a lot of the comments Flexor's made would seem otherwise.I freely accept responibility for getting on a soapbox.  And I don't apologize for it.  However, this is supposed to be a freeforall rather than a debate with four people.  Furthermore, I felt (clearly I was incorrect) that a general statement would not have been as harsh as singled out quotes; I miscalucated as there was no difference.</blockquote>

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