New Monster needs CR

[trentonjoe]

IF a 5th level party of mage, cleric, fighter, and thief walk up to this guy and all engage him, the monster will win.

If a 5th level party uses tactics, say fly on the mage, invisibility on the rogue, some buff spells from the cleric, etc, etc. The party wins. It would be easy to set it up so only the fighter and maybe a summoned monster are the ones in combat.

The poison is good but I just don't think this guy is a CR 8. Aren't 4 ogres a EL 8? I'd rather face one of these things than 4 ogres. Or 3 for that matter.

No range weapons, no spells, saves are pretty poor, only 50 hit points. NOt a CR 8 in my book.

 

[Grazzt]

IF a 5th level party of mage, cleric, fighter, and thief walk up to this guy and all engage him, the monster will win.

If a 5th level party uses tactics, say fly on the mage, invisibility on the rogue, some buff spells from the cleric, etc, etc. The party wins. It would be easy to set it up so only the fighter and maybe a summoned monster are the ones in combat.

The poison is good but I just don't think this guy is a CR 8. Aren't 4 ogres a EL 8? I'd rather face one of these things than 4 ogres. Or 3 for that matter.

No range weapons, no spells, saves are pretty poor, only 50 hit points. NOt a CR 8 in my book.

I agree more or less. Definitely not CR 8. CR 6 perhaps, but no higher, at least not from what I see.

A balanced party of 6th-level PCs (cleric, rogue, fighter, wizard) would win, but might, MIGHT, use up 20% of their resources (which remember, is what CR is supposed to do any way).

A balanced party of 8th-level PCs would tear this guy up easily, I do believe. Just me perhaps though...

 

[the Jester]

I give him a low-end CR 6 as well- based on the revised version. The original version is a CR 5.