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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9058529" data-attributes="member: 87792">Back then they also didn't arm the fighters with nerf bats in line with more cinematic damage. The fighter got 1.5 attacks per round at level 1, the longsword did d12 vs large while an ogre had 19hp and AC actually mattered. A level 1 greatsword specialist in 2e could plausibly bring down two ogres in a round while the ogre had 4hd so about the equivalent of +4 to hit under new rules.You might claim that fighters were realistic - but they were realistic in the way John Wick is - and got one attack per level per round against non-combatants. And when someone faced off against a fighter they were in the fighter's world.Meanwhile in 5e the world is a lot more gonzo. A basic orc has 15hp and an ogre has 59. No one is bringing down two ogres in a round, and a level 2 fighter with action surge needs to be fairly lucky to kill two orcs in a round. That orc has +5 to hit, meaning that heavy armour provides less protection against a 5e orc than a 2e ogre.So yes the world has changed. Your attempts to fossilise the fighter and make them the only realistic thing in a gonzo world leaves them using stone weapons against people in steel armour. It's a different age</blockquote>