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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9065582" data-attributes="member: 7006">Everyone has their levels of change or what they think is different.Personally I see little difference in the combat for example of 4E versus 3E.  You move 30' or 6 squares... you roll a d20 and add your attack modifier... you do your weapon die of damage plus modifier... you attack people adjacent to you with weapons and some spells, other spells do damage in a certain diameter from a point... some attacks for people to move, fall down, get knocked back... some of your own movement allows others to attack you as you walk away... etc.  Yes, the terms used are different and the modifiers are not one a 1-for-1 basis (3E uses BAB, 4E uses half-level), but the actual rolling and additions are the same, both causing damage numbers that both reduce the enemy's number of hit points.And even outside of combat, 4E Skill Challenges are just standard DM adjudication of success except it's formalized in how many rolls the players are going to make and need to succeed in order to "get what they want" (rather than the DM determining for themselves which individual success rolls and fail rolls impact the narrative enough to get the player what they want.)To me, all the editions of D&D and all of the clones like Pathfinder, OSRIC, etc. are all D&D at their foundation.</blockquote>