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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9066000" data-attributes="member: 23751">The facts.&nbsp; I mean, we have 3 editions of WotC D&amp;D.&nbsp; Two with insanely high release rates and one(5e) that is glacially slow in comparison.&nbsp; By definition it's impossible the the most restrictive edition of WotC D&amp;D to be the middle ground between itself and 4e/5e. 5e is objectively not following the middle ground between itself and the two prior editions. It can't.Are you deliberately twisting what I've been saying from crunch to hardcovers?&nbsp; Adventures and settings are not crunch books(even though they have a small amount of it).&nbsp; Tashas is.&nbsp; Xanathar's is.&nbsp; The giant book will be.&nbsp; Even then those books have a very small amount of it in comparison to books from 3e.&nbsp; Despite similar page counts, I got a lot more crunch from say the PHB II from 3e than I did from Tasha's.And I can think of several dozen that don't like it.&nbsp; The argument that &quot;Even though the vast majority of people we know about dislike the adventuring day, it's a possibility that the players at large do like it.&quot; is very weak.&nbsp; I mean, &quot;Even though we know that the vast majority of billionaires on earth are greedy, on some other planet somewhere in the universe there might be very generous billionaires.&quot; is the same argument.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9066000, member: 23751"] The facts. I mean, we have 3 editions of WotC D&D. Two with insanely high release rates and one(5e) that is glacially slow in comparison. By definition it's impossible the the most restrictive edition of WotC D&D to be the middle ground between itself and 4e/5e. 5e is objectively not following the middle ground between itself and the two prior editions. It can't. Are you deliberately twisting what I've been saying from crunch to hardcovers? Adventures and settings are not crunch books(even though they have a small amount of it). Tashas is. Xanathar's is. The giant book will be. Even then those books have a very small amount of it in comparison to books from 3e. Despite similar page counts, I got a lot more crunch from say the PHB II from 3e than I did from Tasha's. And I can think of several dozen that don't like it. The argument that "Even though the vast majority of people we know about dislike the adventuring day, it's a possibility that the players at large do like it." is very weak. I mean, "Even though we know that the vast majority of billionaires on earth are greedy, on some other planet somewhere in the universe there might be very generous billionaires." is the same argument. [/QUOTE]

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