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<blockquote data-quote="W'rkncacnter" data-source="post: 8984886" data-attributes="member: 7033455">oh, i thought you were referring to one of those builds where you could add the two-handed damage bonus when wielding...i think it was specifically a dwarven waraxe in one hand.but either way, couldn't you pick up proficiency with either pretty easily before level 1 (e.g. being a dwarf for the waraxe)? and also we're comparing essentially mastery features (as opposed to base weapon properties) together - an average of +1 to damage isn't as good as, say, dealing damage even on a miss, or freeing up your bonus action while still getting your offhand attack, getting advantage on your next attack against a target you just hit, or knocking a target prone on hit (i mean, what else could topple do?).i'm...not sure what you're getting at, here.+1 isn't a &quot;rule of thumb&quot;, it's the average increase between one die size to the next. your level 5 example is an average difference of 15 damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="W'rkncacnter, post: 8984886, member: 7033455"] oh, i thought you were referring to one of those builds where you could add the two-handed damage bonus when wielding...i think it was specifically a dwarven waraxe in one hand. but either way, couldn't you pick up proficiency with either pretty easily before level 1 (e.g. being a dwarf for the waraxe)? and also we're comparing essentially mastery features (as opposed to base weapon properties) together - an average of +1 to damage isn't as good as, say, dealing damage even on a miss, or freeing up your bonus action while still getting your offhand attack, getting advantage on your next attack against a target you just hit, or knocking a target prone on hit (i mean, what else could topple do?). i'm...not sure what you're getting at, here. +1 isn't a "rule of thumb", it's the average increase between one die size to the next. your level 5 example is an average difference of 15 damage. [/QUOTE]

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