Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 6237434" data-attributes="member: 5868">I've assembled variants, and I'm working on the hybrids.  Here is the variant text:[sblock]Cleric variants: Druid.  The druid is a specialized nature cleric who belongs to the society of druids.  Druids maintain groves across the Realm as places of worship, and both serve the needs of pastoral communities and protect and serve nature.  The druid variant class operates as the cleric class with the following modifications:•    Armor Proficiency: Light, Medium, Shields•    Skills: Religious Lore, Nature Lore, choose one additional skill; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus•    Orisons: The special druid orison shillelagh replaces magic weapon.•    Domain: Druids must select the Druid Domain as their domain choice•    Channel Divinity.  Instead of Channel Divinity, druids Channel Nature.  Instead of radiant or necrotic energy, the druid channels the green life force of nature, which will heal humanoids, plants, and animals within the burst radius, but damages monsters, undead, and extraplanar within the burst. This ability otherwise functions like the cleric Channel Divinity feature.•    Special: Druids speak Druidic, a language unique to their societyPriest.  A priest is a cleric who has less training in martial abilities and instead focuses on spellcasting and the support of their followers and church.  Priests are rarely adventurers, but may find themselves on a holy quest on behalf of their religious order and thus working in concert with a group of adventurers. The priest variant class operates as the cleric class with the following modifications:•    Armor Proficiency: None•    Additional domain: A priest has access to two domains, rather than one; spells of both domains are always prepared.•    Additional spell: A priest may cast one additional spell per level per day, for a total of (1 + spells as shown on “Cleric Spells Per Day” table + WIS bonus).Fighter variants:Barbarian. The barbarian is a warrior from a primitive culture, who trades armor protection – since primitive cultures have not developed the technology for complex heavy armors -- for increased physical hardiness in battle.  The barbarian class functions as the fighter class with the following modifications:•    Hit Die: d10•    Hit Points at 1st Level: 10 + CON Modifier•    Armor Proficiency: Light, Medium, Shields•    Skill: Athletics, Nature Lore; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus•    The barbarian does not gain the fighter’s Weapon Skill ability, instead gaining the larger Hit Die and increased hit points.Paladin. The Paladin is a champion of a faith and represents the ideal of a holy warrior, combining martial prowess with intense devotion to a faith.  Paladins are great leaders, often found serving as the generals of armies fighting in holy causes.  The paladin class functions as the fighter class with the following modifications:•    Skill: Athletics, Religious Lore; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus•    The paladin does not gain the fighter’s Weapon Skill ability at first level, instead gaining the cleric’s Channel Divinity (1d6) ability, which the paladin may use up to (1 + CHA bonus) times per day.Ranger.  The ranger is a wilderness warrior, operating on the boundaries of civilization to track down the enemies of civilization and prevent their raids on normal folk.  Rangers often roam far afield to search out information and follow enemies.  Dwarven rangers perform the same function, only in the underground realms.  The ranger class functions as the fighter class with the following modifications:•    Armor Proficiency: Light, Medium, Shields•    Skill: Perception, Stealth, Nature Lore or Dungeon Lore, choose one additional skill; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus•    The ranger does not gain the fighter’s Weapon Skill ability, gaining the Track ability.  When using Track, the ranger adds +2 to any Nature Lore or Dungeon Lore checks used to track a creature.Mage variants:Wizard. The wizard is an even more studious and specialized mage, who trades some flexibility in spellcasting for increased spell ability.  The wizard class functions as the mage class with the following modifications:•    The wizard’s spellcasting functions slightly differently than the mage.  The wizard prepares and casts an additional spell of each spell level known per day – a total number of spells per level equal to 1 + (number of spells shown on “Mage Spells Per Day” table) + (INT bonus).  However, the wizard may not cast these spells flexibly.  Each prepared spell is cast once, and once cast that prepared slot is lost until the wizard rests for eight hours and can re-prepare spells.  The wizard may prepare a spell multiple times, and at multiple spell levels, to allow multiple castings; each prepared spell may be cast exactly once.Sorcerer.  The sorcerer is a mage whose magical ability is innate rather than coming from a detailed study of the arcane arts.  The sorcerer’s spells draw their power from the force of the sorcerer’s personality. The sorcerer class functions as the mage class with the following modifications:•    Hit Die: d6•    Hit Points at 1st Level: 6 + CON Modifier•    Skill: Choose any two; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus•    Innate arcane spellcasting: The sorcerer uses CHA as the primary spellcasting ability, instead of INT, and substitutes CHA for INT in all arcane spellcasting uses where INT would otherwise be used. •    The sorcerer does not have or use a spellbook, but otherwise prepares and casts spells per the as the base mage class. The sorcerer can thus only gain new spells when a new level is gained.•    The sorcerer does not gain the Polyglot or Studious abilities.Shaman.  The shaman is a spellcaster whose magical ability comes from interaction with the spirit world.  The shaman recognizes that all things have associated spirits which can be tapped to manifest magical abilities, if the caster is skilled and persuasive enough.  Most primitive cultures and humanoid tribes have shamans who serve the spiritual and spellcasting needs of the community, rather than clerics or mages. The shaman class functions as the mage class with the following modifications:•    Spirit-based arcane spellcasting:  The shaman uses CHA as the primary spellcasting ability, instead of INT, and substitutes CHA for INT in all spellcasting uses where INT would be used.•    Skill: Arcane Lore, Religious Lore, Persuade; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus•    The shaman does not gain the Studious or Polyglot abilities, nor does the shaman use a spellbook.  The shaman can thus only gain new spells when a new spell level is gained.•    The shaman may choose spells to prepare from both the Cleric and Mage spell lists, with the number of spells cast per day governed by the “Mage Spells per Day” table (plus CHA bonus per level).  If a spell is listed on both the Cleric and Mage lists at different spell levels, the shaman will use the higher level of the two.Thief variants:Scout.  The scout is an expert in stealth and reconnaissance, often specializing either in the wilderness or underground.  Scouts often support armies, or are hired to perform scouting duties for adventuring parties.  The scout class functions as the thief class with the following modifications:•    Armor Proficiency: Light, Medium •    Skills: Perception, Stealth, Nature Lore or Dungeon Lore, plus pick two; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus •    Scouts do not know Thieves’ Cant.Rogue. The rogue is a jack of all trades, specializing in skills.  Rogues can be thieves, but need not be; some are simply scruffy scoundrels while others are charming leaders.  The scout class functions as the thief class with the following modifications:•    Skills: Choose any five at first level; plus one additional skill per point of INT bonus. •    Skill Mastery: At third level, instead of an Extra Skill, choose one skill in which to gain skill mastery.•    Rogues do not know Thieves’ Cant.[/sblock]I'm still using "thief" for the generic class term, with "rogue" as a variant, even though "rogue" is really the more generic term.  I may switch them eventually, but I like the "old school" feel of the term thief, and while the base classes should be somewhat generic I don't want to push them to blandly generic. That's what keeps me from saying "ranger is fighter with free ability choice" ... variants should push to a more specific archetype.  So maybe I should rename the thief ...I confess to struggling quite a bit with the paladin and fighter/cleric (or warpriest or whatever I will call it).  It's a real struggle to define what the "paladin" is and isn't.  In my mind, he's mostly a fighter, with some divine ability (as seen reflected in the stats above).  Yet then what is a fighter/cleric?  Certainly it's a class with better fighting ability than the cleric (full BAB, more weapon skills), but less divine/spellcasting ability (no, or reduced Channel Divinity, with the one step bump in spells like the swordmage).  That could be the paladin ... but is much more spellcasting than I associate with the paladin.  Part of the problem as you point out is the cleric already has a lot of fighting skill.  I've been leaning to "warpriest" as it gives a flavor justification for the middle step in fighting skill between cleric and fighter (and focus on war domain) -- but then it sacrifices the sort of flexibility that the swordmage retains.  Maybe instead the fighter/cleric should give up the domain entirely and instead retain a partial channel divinity feature ... but I need a new name for the class.  Or it's back to paladin ...I think I've solved the Mage/thief (arcane trickster, as recommended) and fighter/thief (duelist).Edit: Blast it, you've convinced me.  The thief is now a rogue, and the thief is now the specialty variant.Edit 2: And the more I think about it, the more I come closer to paladin = fighter/cleric.  So that's done; what I have as a "paladin" above will become a "champion" for someone who wants paladin-like with more fighting but without the spellcasting. To make that trade balance, though, the paladin will have a d6 hit die, which might bother some folks.  It's either that or trade an armor proficiency, and no heavy armor doesn't say "paladin" to me, especially when the cleric has heavy armor proficiency already.</blockquote>

Verification