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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Noir le Lotus" data-source="post: 4425479" data-attributes="member: 75462">I'm beginning to have some concerns about rituals.I'm not really a big fan of 4th edition, but one thing I appreciate is that Magic no longer completely bypass skills as it happens too often in 3.X.But I've noticed something : some rituals are really far superior comparatively to a mondane use of the skill.Discern Lies or Detect Secret Doors both add the Arcana check to the normal check of the caster, making them nearly impossible to resist !!Other rituals, like Cloak of Chameleon or Conceal Object require an opposed check, but the caster makes his check with a +5 bonus.As it is really hard to have bonus on skill checks, these rituals are really strong : not only did they allow the caster to make an action without the appropriate skill, but they give them more chance to succeed, if they have time and money (will happen most of the time).Don't anyone feel the same ??</blockquote>