New Setting Idea from CNN... a modern earth out of oil.

Storm Raven said:
Wood? When we know how to make nuclear power plants?
I think the idea is, look at how dependent we are on oil and oil products. Even a nuclear plant uses a lot of oil, even if it's just as lubrication. Plastics come from oil as well. It's used in the production of many, many things. More than you might think; it's very surprising how extensive it is. So, if there is no more oil, at all, then those things stop being made. Suddenly you can't buy lube for all the moving parts in the plant. You can't get replacements for the myriad plastic parts, and there are some things that must be made of plastic. Probably a year or so after all the oil disappeared, there would not be a means to keep a nuclear plant running safely, but I have no real idea. I would say it would not be a very long time, though.

We may know how to make such plants, but knowing how to make something and having the raw materials to make it with are very different things.
 

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When (not if) we do run out of oil, or the reserves are so low that oil is priced out of consideration, the world will simply turn to other forms of fuel. There's a lot to choose from that are affordable and obtainable and most of them are already in use to some degree.

Coal, Nuclear, Hydroelectricity, Wind Power will continue to be used to generate electricity.

Car engines will be redesigned to run on alternate fuels such as Ethanol (produced from corn). FYI, we already use Ethanol in the midwest, not sure about the rest of the country. Certain trucks can run with high percent ethanol grade fuel already. Under the right circumstances, the next OPEC could well be the local farmers Co-Op. Now there's a modern d20 story angle that probably hasn't been developed before! Farmland may once again become highly sought for it's growing properties, instead of getting sold off to build suburbs and minimalls.

Solar power may become useful for home use, supplementing normal electrical needs. If solar cell design ever improves enough, it may find more widespread use.

Many of those forms are fairly abundant and/or renewable. Running out of oil is going to suck for some people, especially the big oil companies, but the rest of us will move on. The apocalyptic world of Mad Max won't be caused from using up our oil.
 


Where oh where are the conspiracy theories!

We have carbonators that produce 100 miles a gallon, we have safe hydrogen fuel cells, four years ago on national new a four seat car was show using compressed air doing 60.

Kentucy Fried Movie answer, oil will be extracted from the faces of teenagers.

In 1932 at the Chicgo Worlds Fair, our man Nikola Tesla displayed broadcasted power, the feat was not recreated until the 90s by Bell labs.
 
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As others have mentioned, there are plenty of sources of oil besides what comes out of the ground. Vegetable oils can be used to lubricate and to fuel motors.

also, I think that if we ran out of crude oil, electric power would become much more prominent. Solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear power sources would become the norm rather than the exception, as they are today.

Not to stray too far into politics, but the reason we keep pumping oil out of the ground is because that is the easiest way for big businesses to make more money, not because it is the only way to do things.

Also, to quote from the article:
At current rates of production, there were 40.6 years of consumption covered by proven reserves in 2002, the latest data available, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The newspaper, citing the BP Statistical Review, said that in 1989, there were 44.7 years left of consumption.

So 15 years ago they estimated there was 44.7 years of oil reserves left. Then, 2 years ago, they estimated that there was 40.6 years of oil researves left.

I don't think anyone really knows how much oil is left or when it will run out.
 
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WayneLigon said:
I think the idea is, look at how dependent we are on oil and oil products. Even a nuclear plant uses a lot of oil, even if it's just as lubrication.

There are dozens of other sources of lubricant that could be used for industiral applications. We use oil because it is among the cheapest and most plentiful. Even if we ran out of oil completely, we would still be able to produce the necessary components to manufacture things like nuclear power plants, hydroelectric plants and so on. (If we have lubricants that allow us to run steam engines that burn wood, we would have the lubricants necessary to run nuclear plants).
 

No, no, no. If you want a good setting, first you hit the planet with the oil-eating bacteria, then there's a nuclear war in South Asia that blankets most of the eastern hemisphere with fallout, then you have an asteroid hit Minnesota (damned Timberwolves). Game starts in 2024, with everyone picking up the pieces of a global economic and technological collapse.

Now there's a d20 Modern (or Gamma World) setting fer ya.
 

I also agree that it will be a slow wimper. There are oil reserves that are hard to extract so it isn't profitable to extract them at $30 a barrel but it may be at $45 a barrel. Plus, as oil prices rise many alternate forms of energy suddenly become cost effective. I saw a show just last week about extracting natural gas from garbage dumps.

I think the biggest change is a movement away from consumable products. It won't be cost effective to ship a toaster all the way from China and still sell it for $6. So you'll see more local manufacturing and a move towards repairable rather than replaceable products. Hardly a world of exitement.

I remember a few years ago reading an article where a guy posulated that oil was the by-product of some sort of subterenean bacteria slowly digesting the earth (it was an article on the origin of life). The author noted how some oil reserves produced much more oil than expected and some oil fields that had been drained dry had oil in them again a few years later. I wish I knew where I read it.

Aaron
 
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The Saudi Arabian oil fields are the largest and the easiest to exploit. Other sources of oil are not economical until crude reaches $40+ per barrel. However, once all of the large sources of oil are gone it will not be economic to use oil for automobiles (at least for most people). The end of oil as a major source of fuel has been consistently set at about 2050. This estimate could go either way depending upon consumption – especially if China and/or India increase consumption.

Part of the problem in the US is refining capacity. Consumption has been increasing but we have not been increasing our refining capacity. Even a $2 per gallon, gasoline is still much cheaper in the US than most parts of the world. When I was in Peru a couple of years back, gasoline was about $8 per gallon. The streets were constantly filled with cars – but most ever car was also an ad hoc taxi.

Many plastics now come from organic products not just oil. The problem with organic sources of fuel is water. In the US, all of our aquifers are in danger. If you look at an aquifer map of the US all are yellow or red – especially in the Midwest. In the next decade, water will become an even bigger problem in places like the Middle East.

Nuclear power is not as economical as most people think. When you add in all of the costs associated with contamination clean-up it becomes very expensive. Also, you have the perpetual problem of what to do with the waste. No one wants it.

Hydroelectric power is a good source, but in the Western US we have had a shortage of water for the last decade. I don’t think any reservoir is in good shape. Here in New Mexico, Elephant Butte reservoir is going to be at 14% of capacity. Granted it is in a desert, but the water comes from the Colorado Rockies.

Wood is a very short term resource at this point.

Coal is the most abundant source of fossil fuel in the US. Most coal has sulfur in it. Burn it and you get Sulfuric Acid rain. There are technologies to mitigate this problem, but they are expensive.

Solar and wind still cannot produce enough energy to accommodate the demand. As someone mentioned we can mine fuel from trash. But expensive and requires energy to create in the first place.

Fuel cells are a good idea, but they essentially convert electricity to a fuel for cars. (You need electricity to make hydrogen from water.)

The tar sands in Canada are very expensive to mine oil from.

So there are three crisis coming up: Global warming, Water shortage, and Fuel shortage. Global warming affects water and water affects our ability to produce alternative fuels.

To add to that. In Geologic history there have been two large mass extinction events: one at the Permian/Triassic (the largest) and the second at the Cretaceous/Tertiary (which killed the dinosaurs). However, larger than either of these is the one that has been going on for the last hundred years.

Bloodstone Press said:
I don't think anyone really knows how much oil is left or when it will run out.

What we know is where all of the big oil reservoirs are located. There are probably oil fields that have not been discovered – but they are likely to be small and/or difficult to extract oil from. The estimates on when oil will run out are based upon the rates of current consumption. If that rate increases the estimates are revised downward. The most conservative estimate I have come across was the 2050 I mentioned above.

However, these are estimates based upon 1st and 2nd order effects. If a large Saudi Arabian sized oil field is suddenly discovered or if consumption dramatically decreases then these estimates will be off. However, the likelihood of either happening is fairly small.
 

Kalendraf said:
Under the right circumstances, the next OPEC could well be the local farmers Co-Op. Now there's a modern d20 story angle that probably hasn't been developed before! Farmland may once again become highly sought for it's growing properties, instead of getting sold off to build suburbs and minimalls.

There was a brainstorming thread a few months back using mixed genre to create settings

Anyway I proposed Bob the Builder meets Judge Dread and the idea spawned was somehting like

"An agrarian utopia ruled over by 'The Farmer'. His enforcer is known as 'the Builder' who with his team of sentient machines is sent in to Fix things and control the rebellious actions of 'the Scarecrow'"

um actually it was worded better than that (bad memory!) and I thought it could actually be quite a cool setting
 

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