New Spell: Cloud of Summoning: Need level!

[Forrester]

Very lame.

If he took a limitation that he can't cast Dispel Magic or similar spells, let him suffer.

If you let him get around those limitations just by saying 'It's a cloud', then there is no point in the limitations (Fireball > It's a cloud that burns things; Bulls Strength > It's a cloud that makes you stronger, etc).

Many summonable creatures have Spell Resistance and can attempt to break through the Protection from Evil. Why doesn't he summon them?

Geoff.

Yeah, it's his fault for not powergaming sufficiently.

S L A P !

I've already made it clear to him (not that it was necessary) that there will not be Bull Strength Clouds or Fireball Clouds, and he was never intending for there to be.

And the reason he doesn't summon creatures with SR is that he's taking another restriction -- the only creatures he summons are elementals and creatures (almost always animals or beasts) with an elemental template. I suppose at very high levels he might get some magical beast with an elemental template applied, but for the next few levels (he's only 6th level right now) his creatures will lack SR.

 

[the Jester]

I hate to say it, but it sounds like he's basically accepting arbitrary restrictions in return for the ability to make spells that totally get around them.

I'm not buying, personally. If you can easily get around the limitations, they're not very limiting at all. And all he really ends up with is the bonuses you tossed him (extra spells known), plus his spell focus et. al. works for everything.

 

[Geoff Watson]

What the hell does SLAP! mean????

If he got advantages in exchange for those limitations, he shouldn't be able to get around them easily, if at all.

The elemental templates are better than the celestial/fiendish templates, except they lack SR. That isn't much of a restriction.

Maybe make Dispel Magic a Universal spell (I'm surprised that it wasn't) and let him cast it.

Geoff.

 

[Cheiromancer]

If protection from evil shuts down summoning spells, then they are sort of opposites, right? Maybe there should be some kind of conjuration/summoning effect that counterspells/dispels a protection from evil the way that light cancels darkness.

Anyone remember where the Bolt of Conjuring spell is found? Imagine a variant of it that only summons a critter if the bolt strikes a spell with an alignment. Then the creature gets the appropriate aligned template and the spell is negated. It could be called a "Vortex of Conjuring" since it sucks the aligned energy from the target.

So if the target is sheathed in a protection from evil (a [good] effect, the summoned creature sucks up all the good (dispelling the protection) and acquires the celestial template. If it is protection from good that gets hit, it would get the fiendish template. Axiomatic and anarchic (from MotP) would be for protection from chaos and protection from law.

I'm too lazy right now to write up the spell, but it seems to fit the flavor of a conjuration spell while helping one deal with Protection from alignment.

 

[Forrester]

I hate to say it, but it sounds like he's basically accepting arbitrary restrictions in return for the ability to make spells that totally get around them.

I'm not buying, personally. If you can easily get around the limitations, they're not very limiting at all. And all he really ends up with is the bonuses you tossed him (extra spells known), plus his spell focus et. al. works for everything.

Don't be silly.

First of all, it's not "spells" but "spell".

Second of all, he is putting restrictions on his character. I just think that it's really silly one of the restrictions ends up being that he's a less effective summoner because he's a conjuration specialist.

I did double his known spells for each school, but no free Spell Focus.