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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8665276" data-attributes="member: 67338">yes but when they BOUND accuracy they shot HP into crazy levels...a 20th level fighter in 2e had 9d10+33+(1/2/3 x9 from con) and in 5e they have 20d10+100 most times...with only a +1 or +2 con it would not be unheard or for a maxed level fighter to just be at or below 100hp... in 5e 11th level fighters with a 'low for this edition' +3 con would have 11d10+33 98hp on average...take SOME of the BA away and rebind HP (but front load them like 4e) and you have a MUCH better game.my suggestion was start with 3hd no con bonus, at even levels add only a modfire (+1/2/3 based on over 10th in 2e) and at odd levels add a HD, but again no con bonus.&nbsp; the Con bonus comes when you spend HD to heal.so a 1st level fighter would have 3d10, a first level warlock 3d8.&nbsp; but at level 11 that fighter 8d10+15 hp&nbsp; so if we max 1st 3 it is 71hp and if we only max 1 of those 1st 3 HD it would be 62... at 20th level it would be either 97 or 88 hp on average... lower monster hp too to match</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8665276, member: 67338"] yes but when they BOUND accuracy they shot HP into crazy levels... a 20th level fighter in 2e had 9d10+33+(1/2/3 x9 from con) and in 5e they have 20d10+100 most times... with only a +1 or +2 con it would not be unheard or for a maxed level fighter to just be at or below 100hp... in 5e 11th level fighters with a 'low for this edition' +3 con would have 11d10+33 98hp on average... take SOME of the BA away and rebind HP (but front load them like 4e) and you have a MUCH better game. my suggestion was start with 3hd no con bonus, at even levels add only a modfire (+1/2/3 based on over 10th in 2e) and at odd levels add a HD, but again no con bonus. the Con bonus comes when you spend HD to heal. so a 1st level fighter would have 3d10, a first level warlock 3d8. but at level 11 that fighter 8d10+15 hp so if we max 1st 3 it is 71hp and if we only max 1 of those 1st 3 HD it would be 62... at 20th level it would be either 97 or 88 hp on average... lower monster hp too to match [/QUOTE]

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