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<blockquote data-quote="Thunderfoot" data-source="post: 5670394" data-attributes="member: 34175"><p>Okay, my honest opinion is no, just...no.</p><p></p><p>After ST: Enterprise, which had great acting and a pile of horse crap for scripts, which ignored thousand of pages of previously established Trek canon... if it's a source of info mining for the new show, bag it.</p><p></p><p>Also, I'm quite surprised no one has tapped the un-mined potential of the cartoon series, yes it was ignored as non-canon but, it had the actors, writers and producers of the original series, and took place in roughly the same time as the original series. It's no less blasphemous than ST:ENT or some of the later DS9 or VOY episodes.</p><p></p><p>If it has to happen the laundry list of things that should and shouldn't be included (for me) include:</p><p></p><p>Yes:</p><p>An emphasis on exploration</p><p>A multi-cultural crew</p><p>Andorians</p><p>Telerites (for a founding race of the Federation they sure get panned in on-air time)</p><p>Klingons as "semi" bad guys, more a non-agreeable non-Federation race</p><p>Gorn - they used a "war" off screen to explain why they weren't there, let them win and start conquest again.</p><p>Romulans - they are the Communist Chinese government of space, we have massive armies and navies, but are quickly running into problems with everyone else. Maybe we should "play" nice while going about business (ie raiding) as usual</p><p>Orions - bring back green slave women!!! (and their lesser known gold servant slaves)</p><p>Caitians - because ST needs furries (not really but it is a demographic)</p><p>Marines/Army - The often overlooked branches of the Federation. Not everything is going to react peacefully, show us what happens when diplomacy goes south (see next to last entry as a corollary)</p><p>Consistent Diplomats/Officers/Officials - One thing that always bothered me, even in the originals, everything was run by the admiral of the week. If you have a part for a higher-up, find a long term guest star (Mark Lenard was a great example of this policy). If you mention the Federation President, tag a name to it, if its different than the last time, there had better have been an election mentioned. It's the little stuff that makes the difference. (see last below)</p><p></p><p>What they should NOT include:</p><p>The Borg - At least not on a continuing we've run out of ideas so they come back and cause problems race. The are supposed to be scary, they come off as one dimensional and boring.</p><p>Ferengi - Yes they should be there, just not as a major player, really, annoying merchants are hardly anyone's cup of tea.</p><p>Naussicans - they had the Gorn, why create another race with harder make-up?</p><p>Quantum anything - time travel should be left to the professionals, like Dr Who.</p><p>Betazoids - I'm sensing, confusion, grief and that the Klingon wants to do me in 10 Forward.... AWKWARD.</p><p>Trill - Great idea, poor execution, maybe if they played around a little and tightened them up...maybe</p><p>Massive space battles - Wolf 359 was AWESOME, the 14 times it was re-created after that (I'm looking at you DS9) was boring. Small ship engagements should be fast, brutal and deadly. Too much looks like an interstellar rave gone bad.</p><p>Admirals - if the real navies of the world had that many top line admins, there wouldn't be any money left over for ships... If they really want to make it sing, build some consistency. Every starbase, had an admiral, uh-uh, that's a captain's job, or a commander's. They received orders from so many different admirals on TNG that my first response was, who the hell do they belong to? I'm sure they are assigned to a division, who is the division head and why weren't the orders sent through them? (sorry a bit of real world military experience kicking in.) If you are assigned to Galaxy Exploration Division and you are getting orders from Military Operations Division, someone has crossed the line and FUBARed... </p><p></p><p>Yeah, I realize a lot of this stuff is nit-picky, but attention to detail is a military catch phrase for a reason. No military organization can function efficiently or effectively without it. A military based arm of even an imaginary government should have a smidgen of it, or else its just a group of space monkeys throwing really destructive poo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thunderfoot, post: 5670394, member: 34175"] Okay, my honest opinion is no, just...no. After ST: Enterprise, which had great acting and a pile of horse crap for scripts, which ignored thousand of pages of previously established Trek canon... if it's a source of info mining for the new show, bag it. Also, I'm quite surprised no one has tapped the un-mined potential of the cartoon series, yes it was ignored as non-canon but, it had the actors, writers and producers of the original series, and took place in roughly the same time as the original series. It's no less blasphemous than ST:ENT or some of the later DS9 or VOY episodes. If it has to happen the laundry list of things that should and shouldn't be included (for me) include: Yes: An emphasis on exploration A multi-cultural crew Andorians Telerites (for a founding race of the Federation they sure get panned in on-air time) Klingons as "semi" bad guys, more a non-agreeable non-Federation race Gorn - they used a "war" off screen to explain why they weren't there, let them win and start conquest again. Romulans - they are the Communist Chinese government of space, we have massive armies and navies, but are quickly running into problems with everyone else. Maybe we should "play" nice while going about business (ie raiding) as usual Orions - bring back green slave women!!! (and their lesser known gold servant slaves) Caitians - because ST needs furries (not really but it is a demographic) Marines/Army - The often overlooked branches of the Federation. Not everything is going to react peacefully, show us what happens when diplomacy goes south (see next to last entry as a corollary) Consistent Diplomats/Officers/Officials - One thing that always bothered me, even in the originals, everything was run by the admiral of the week. If you have a part for a higher-up, find a long term guest star (Mark Lenard was a great example of this policy). If you mention the Federation President, tag a name to it, if its different than the last time, there had better have been an election mentioned. It's the little stuff that makes the difference. (see last below) What they should NOT include: The Borg - At least not on a continuing we've run out of ideas so they come back and cause problems race. The are supposed to be scary, they come off as one dimensional and boring. Ferengi - Yes they should be there, just not as a major player, really, annoying merchants are hardly anyone's cup of tea. Naussicans - they had the Gorn, why create another race with harder make-up? Quantum anything - time travel should be left to the professionals, like Dr Who. Betazoids - I'm sensing, confusion, grief and that the Klingon wants to do me in 10 Forward.... AWKWARD. Trill - Great idea, poor execution, maybe if they played around a little and tightened them up...maybe Massive space battles - Wolf 359 was AWESOME, the 14 times it was re-created after that (I'm looking at you DS9) was boring. Small ship engagements should be fast, brutal and deadly. Too much looks like an interstellar rave gone bad. Admirals - if the real navies of the world had that many top line admins, there wouldn't be any money left over for ships... If they really want to make it sing, build some consistency. Every starbase, had an admiral, uh-uh, that's a captain's job, or a commander's. They received orders from so many different admirals on TNG that my first response was, who the hell do they belong to? I'm sure they are assigned to a division, who is the division head and why weren't the orders sent through them? (sorry a bit of real world military experience kicking in.) If you are assigned to Galaxy Exploration Division and you are getting orders from Military Operations Division, someone has crossed the line and FUBARed... Yeah, I realize a lot of this stuff is nit-picky, but attention to detail is a military catch phrase for a reason. No military organization can function efficiently or effectively without it. A military based arm of even an imaginary government should have a smidgen of it, or else its just a group of space monkeys throwing really destructive poo. [/QUOTE]
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