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<blockquote data-quote="MonkeezOnFire" data-source="post: 7848068" data-attributes="member: 6784845">Say the party finds out the next adventure they're going on is to a castle that has sunk to the bottom of a swamp so some form of underwater breathing is needed. Neither the sorcerer or wizard in the party has the water breathing spell as it is situational and no water exploration has come up so far. The wizard says to the rest of the party &quot;I'll need a couple weeks of down time to hunt down a spell book or scroll with the spell.&quot; But then the sorcerer just says &quot;We can leave right now. I'll have it ready by the time we get there.&quot; Which is a situation that really just shouldn't happen given that the wizard's shtick is versatility.So in my opinion some kind of compromise is necessary.Proposal 1: Keep spell versatility but also give it to the wizard. The first character I played in 5e was a wizard and while I eventually ended up with more spells than I could shake a stick at at level 10, there were also a few instances where I too wish I had the opportunity to retcon some choices. Around level 6 or 7 I regretted not picking up Detect Thoughts as a divination wizard since it's on theme and would be useful for some social situations. But by that point I had the option to pick up higher level spells on level up that I sure wasn't going to waste those choices on back filling. Another example was that I took Charm Person early on and quickly discovered that with the way our DM ran things that there was no situation in which casting it is a good idea. In combat it doesn't do much to alter enemy behaviour and in town it's a one way ticket to get the NPCs mad at you.Proposal 2: Remove spell versatility. Allow bards, sorcerers and warlocks to learn spells from scrolls or spell books the same way as wizards. That way those classes have an avenue for correction but it has a cost associated with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MonkeezOnFire, post: 7848068, member: 6784845"] Say the party finds out the next adventure they're going on is to a castle that has sunk to the bottom of a swamp so some form of underwater breathing is needed. Neither the sorcerer or wizard in the party has the water breathing spell as it is situational and no water exploration has come up so far. The wizard says to the rest of the party "I'll need a couple weeks of down time to hunt down a spell book or scroll with the spell." But then the sorcerer just says "We can leave right now. I'll have it ready by the time we get there." Which is a situation that really just shouldn't happen given that the wizard's shtick is versatility. So in my opinion some kind of compromise is necessary. Proposal 1: Keep spell versatility but also give it to the wizard. The first character I played in 5e was a wizard and while I eventually ended up with more spells than I could shake a stick at at level 10, there were also a few instances where I too wish I had the opportunity to retcon some choices. Around level 6 or 7 I regretted not picking up Detect Thoughts as a divination wizard since it's on theme and would be useful for some social situations. But by that point I had the option to pick up higher level spells on level up that I sure wasn't going to waste those choices on back filling. Another example was that I took Charm Person early on and quickly discovered that with the way our DM ran things that there was no situation in which casting it is a good idea. In combat it doesn't do much to alter enemy behaviour and in town it's a one way ticket to get the NPCs mad at you. Proposal 2: Remove spell versatility. Allow bards, sorcerers and warlocks to learn spells from scrolls or spell books the same way as wizards. That way those classes have an avenue for correction but it has a cost associated with it. [/QUOTE]

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