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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7848390" data-attributes="member: 18">It's certainly not reasonable or helpful or anything to do so, when you know perfectly well that without those, you're basically asking for either the specific exact thing you want to happily coincide with one of the surprisingly few and narrow archetypes 5E uses! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Re: archetypes, yeah none of those, including &quot;punchy&quot; are really &quot;fantasy barbarian&quot; archetypes at all. The Incredible Hulk is a superhero, not a fantasy archetype. Raging brutes are reasonably common in fantasy - they are almost always are armed with clubs or axes, using fists (and teeth!) only when deprived of their weapons.I would also actually say that while it is a little weird to see &quot;Holy Barbarians&quot;, the person driven into a frenzy by fanatical zeal, wearing little-no armour, and probably wielding a mace or flail (likely dual-wielding) is a more common fantasy archetype. Certainly, divorced from the name &quot;barbarian&quot;, more common than a punch-y half-naked berserker who wades into armed melees with nothing but a loincloth and his fists.I am genuinely struggling to think of an example of the latter. I keep coming up with cavemen-types but they always have weapons, and I don't think Frankenstein's Monster really counts, because he's not actually good at punching or anything, just incredibly, terrifyingly strong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7848390, member: 18"] It's certainly not reasonable or helpful or anything to do so, when you know perfectly well that without those, you're basically asking for either the specific exact thing you want to happily coincide with one of the surprisingly few and narrow archetypes 5E uses! :p Re: archetypes, yeah none of those, including "punchy" are really "fantasy barbarian" archetypes at all. The Incredible Hulk is a superhero, not a fantasy archetype. Raging brutes are reasonably common in fantasy - they are almost always are armed with clubs or axes, using fists (and teeth!) only when deprived of their weapons. I would also actually say that while it is a little weird to see "Holy Barbarians", the person driven into a frenzy by fanatical zeal, wearing little-no armour, and probably wielding a mace or flail (likely dual-wielding) is a more common fantasy archetype. Certainly, divorced from the name "barbarian", more common than a punch-y half-naked berserker who wades into armed melees with nothing but a loincloth and his fists. I am genuinely struggling to think of an example of the latter. I keep coming up with cavemen-types but they always have weapons, and I don't think Frankenstein's Monster really counts, because he's not actually good at punching or anything, just incredibly, terrifyingly strong. [/QUOTE]

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