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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7851257" data-attributes="member: 6750235">I can slot divine favor, bless, crusaders mantle, or elemental weapon and use one slot for longer benefits.&nbsp; I can knock someone prone by giving up an attack without using a spell slot, even if it's not as effective a use of the attack.&nbsp; I can focus more on STR and worry about CHA later if I'm using buffs instead of DC saves and smite bonus effects.&nbsp; The same spell slot does more damage with a standard smite.&nbsp; By the time a paladin gets blinding smite another spell caster can multi-target multiple opponents and not have to worry about concentration.&nbsp; Reasons like that.IME, I'm better off using concentration for a party wide buff while another member of the party works status control.&nbsp; Adding these spells to clerics doesn't take the occasional use away from paladins or invalidate anyone who wants to use them on paladins.&nbsp; It gives clerics a reasonable melee application that doesn't actually buff them (spell slots and concentration are still limiting factors) and results in more use for the spells.&nbsp; It's the type of ability I would expect to see on a melee cleric.I just find the spells don't have enough draw for me on a paladin to use them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7851257, member: 6750235"] I can slot divine favor, bless, crusaders mantle, or elemental weapon and use one slot for longer benefits. I can knock someone prone by giving up an attack without using a spell slot, even if it's not as effective a use of the attack. I can focus more on STR and worry about CHA later if I'm using buffs instead of DC saves and smite bonus effects. The same spell slot does more damage with a standard smite. By the time a paladin gets blinding smite another spell caster can multi-target multiple opponents and not have to worry about concentration. Reasons like that. IME, I'm better off using concentration for a party wide buff while another member of the party works status control. Adding these spells to clerics doesn't take the occasional use away from paladins or invalidate anyone who wants to use them on paladins. It gives clerics a reasonable melee application that doesn't actually buff them (spell slots and concentration are still limiting factors) and results in more use for the spells. It's the type of ability I would expect to see on a melee cleric. I just find the spells don't have enough draw for me on a paladin to use them. [/QUOTE]

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