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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7851869" data-attributes="member: 6704184">This is a straw man. Popularity proves that peoples’ actual play experience isn’t turning them off from the rogue. Satisfaction numbers show that dnd 5e players like the rogue as is, and feel it is doing its job. People don’t generally keep doing things they don’t enjoy, and most people don’t say they like and are happy with stuff that is making them feel overshadowed and useless. If the rogue was woefully behind other classes, it would show. Somewhere. And yet, about 5 people MAX on an Internet forum is all I can find trying to argue that 5e rogues aren’t quite good. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />The idea that the rogue is “woefully behind” is thus a pretty wild notion that flies in the face of the available evidence. “Prove” is generally a useless term in a discussion like this. The evidence tends toward certain conclusions. There is no particular reason to distrust the evidence. “Self-selection” doesn’t actually rob the data of any relevance in this case, because the self selection was toward exactly who we are discussing. People who play dnd. It doesn’t select toward satisfied or unsatisfied players, just players. People who are in the dnd community. Meanwhile, the evidence in the other direction is basically you and cap sayin so repeatedly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 7851869, member: 6704184"] This is a straw man. Popularity proves that peoples’ actual play experience isn’t turning them off from the rogue. Satisfaction numbers show that dnd 5e players like the rogue as is, and feel it is doing its job. People don’t generally keep doing things they don’t enjoy, and most people don’t say they like and are happy with stuff that is making them feel overshadowed and useless. If the rogue was woefully behind other classes, it would show. Somewhere. And yet, about 5 people MAX on an Internet forum is all I can find trying to argue that 5e rogues aren’t quite good. 🤷‍♂️ The idea that the rogue is “woefully behind” is thus a pretty wild notion that flies in the face of the available evidence. “Prove” is generally a useless term in a discussion like this. The evidence tends toward certain conclusions. There is no particular reason to distrust the evidence. “Self-selection” doesn’t actually rob the data of any relevance in this case, because the self selection was toward exactly who we are discussing. People who play dnd. It doesn’t select toward satisfied or unsatisfied players, just players. People who are in the dnd community. Meanwhile, the evidence in the other direction is basically you and cap sayin so repeatedly. [/QUOTE]

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