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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7859225" data-attributes="member: 6750235">It's not actually the artificer and ranger.  It's the battle smith and beast master.  The homunculus available to all artificers is a lot more like the chain familiar, and vice versa.  The difference is one is meant to fill the role of a servant while the other is meant to be an extension of combat.Comparing the warlock to the artificer or ranger is a mistake.  The spell advancement is very different while pact magic plus arcanum is clearly meant to be in line with full spell casting.That spell library is just a few cantrips.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  The pact ability find (special) familiar is comparable to the pact ability add 3 cantrips.  Find familiar is generally considered one of the better rituals and chain pact gives a better list of those familiars, plus a few way to improve them.Book of Ancient Secrets is an invocation.  That invocation spent by tome is just a different invocation than the one spent by chain.  Rituals are useful but there are several other useful invocations for the chain warlock to take in it's place.Don't mistake the pact feature for the invocations.  It's not a valid comparison.If that's what they want then they are barking up the wrong tree.  Familiars are servants, not combatants.  That's why the find familiar spell says "A familiar can’t attack, but it can take other actions as normal".  Using them for the help action or to deliver a touch spell covers the typical familiar.  Chain warlocks can forgo an attack so that the familiar can attack for them but that doesn't change familiars from servants to combatants.  The familiar's role hasn't actually changed.If a person wants a magical pet that does all the fighting creating a class based on it makes more sense than turning familiars into something they are not.The summoning rules and pet rules are a PITA to control action economy.  If a person ever expects to see the class you are looking for I would say it's probably going to be designed with the action economy in mind. That's also not a valid comparison.  The warlock spell progression would need to be patterned after the ranger spell progression, arcanum would need to be removed, and all those SLA's would also need to be removed as options.The warlock familiar would also have been needed to be designed differently from the ground up.  Beast masters actually do bond with a pet that can easily have a fixed identity with whom they fight alongside.  What you need is something more like that but possibly an altered spell and class list.But they do have some interesting toys to play around with so far.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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