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<blockquote data-quote="Eric V" data-source="post: 7863484" data-attributes="member: 6779717">Thanks. I've looked and I'm not going to say it's not good material, it's all still material that stays within a pretty strict paradigm of what has come before, not something actually new or obviously creative.Like how any new character idea has to be a subclass of something existing...why? I literally don't see the big difference between class &quot;bloat&quot; and subclass &quot;bloat,&quot; except that now (for example) the evil paladin associating with the Nine Hells still heals with a touch, does radiant damage with a smite, and has an aura to protect his allies(!) because the idea has to fit within the existing paradigm (in this case, of the paladin class). Do people make it work? I suppose they do, but if you were sitting down to design a warrior inspired by the Nine Hells, healing with a touch, radiant damage, and a protecting allies aura probably wouldn't make the list of features...My group has resigned to this being the case, but we keep an eye...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Eric V, post: 7863484, member: 6779717"] Thanks. I've looked and I'm not going to say it's not good material, it's all still material that stays within a pretty strict paradigm of what has come before, not something actually new or obviously creative. Like how any new character idea has to be a subclass of something existing...why? I literally don't see the big difference between class "bloat" and subclass "bloat," except that now (for example) the evil paladin associating with the Nine Hells still heals with a touch, does radiant damage with a smite, and has an aura to protect his allies(!) because the idea has to fit within the existing paradigm (in this case, of the paladin class). Do people make it work? I suppose they do, but if you were sitting down to design a warrior inspired by the Nine Hells, healing with a touch, radiant damage, and a protecting allies aura probably wouldn't make the list of features... My group has resigned to this being the case, but we keep an eye... [/QUOTE]

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