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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7864239" data-attributes="member: 6750235"><p>3e had psicrystals.</p><p></p><p>4e psions used orbs and staffs as implements. They even got ritual casting as a bonus feat.</p><p></p><p>Many tropes use a focus. The level of outrage seems unwarranted. Here are a few excerpts from 3e and 4e to given an idea on magic vs psionics. It's not necessarily direct to you specifically but relates to other comments in this and similar recent threads.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]116441[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Magic and psionics being different was the optional rule and not the standard rule. That's from 3e.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]116442[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>That is also from 3e. Powers had the same manifestation times and effects. The difference was the lack of verbal and somatic components. They actually had other cues to the manifestion, which also carried into 4e.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]116443[/ATTACH]</p><p>There was an expectation that some sort of effect was taking place while the psions were manifesting powers. It was not invisible as claimed unless DM's handwaved it. People could determine who was manifesting powers unless it was house-ruled against. </p><p></p><p>No one should get upset if WotC continues the type of thing with psionics that they had been doing already instead of whatever the table was allowing instead.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]116444[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Wizards and clerics studies psionics as a subset of the arcane and divine. That's part of D&D. There were psionic spells included with the psionic rules in 3e available to non-psionic classes as well.</p><p></p><p>Some of the comments I'm seeing seem to have been forgetting things that have been published in the past and substituted their own concepts. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How is that an insult to you? Psionic magic was a thing for wizards and I am struggling to see how having psionic magic for wizards is an insult to anyone here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7864239, member: 6750235"] 3e had psicrystals. 4e psions used orbs and staffs as implements. They even got ritual casting as a bonus feat. Many tropes use a focus. The level of outrage seems unwarranted. Here are a few excerpts from 3e and 4e to given an idea on magic vs psionics. It's not necessarily direct to you specifically but relates to other comments in this and similar recent threads. [ATTACH type="full"]116441[/ATTACH] Magic and psionics being different was the optional rule and not the standard rule. That's from 3e. [ATTACH type="full"]116442[/ATTACH] That is also from 3e. Powers had the same manifestation times and effects. The difference was the lack of verbal and somatic components. They actually had other cues to the manifestion, which also carried into 4e. [ATTACH type="full"]116443[/ATTACH] There was an expectation that some sort of effect was taking place while the psions were manifesting powers. It was not invisible as claimed unless DM's handwaved it. People could determine who was manifesting powers unless it was house-ruled against. No one should get upset if WotC continues the type of thing with psionics that they had been doing already instead of whatever the table was allowing instead. [ATTACH type="full"]116444[/ATTACH] Wizards and clerics studies psionics as a subset of the arcane and divine. That's part of D&D. There were psionic spells included with the psionic rules in 3e available to non-psionic classes as well. Some of the comments I'm seeing seem to have been forgetting things that have been published in the past and substituted their own concepts. ;) How is that an insult to you? Psionic magic was a thing for wizards and I am struggling to see how having psionic magic for wizards is an insult to anyone here. [/QUOTE]
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