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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 9569845" data-attributes="member: 2067">The broader point that I'm using this in support of is that it's not unreasonable to expect a general audience to learn about the thing. We don't have to meet their expectations in a vacuum. We can expect people to learn that the Holy Roman Empire really was. This is a setting book. People want to learn about the setting.If the lore is too disappointing, I think the better move is to either yeet or generic up the subclass. We don't NEED a PDK subclass inherently, and something that redefines what a PDK is so totally isn't honoring that name. So if something that actually honors the name isn't actually interesting, we don't NEED it. Better no PDK than a PDK that isn't a PDK.Banneret would be the &quot;generic up&quot; option. Much like the knowledge cleric, if the subclass fills a more general need for a more generic archetype (leader-y fighter), you can avoid concerns with disappointing lore by not really relying on it. The practice of killing lore and taking its name is what got us a good 50% of the edition wars in 4e (if not more). I'm not binary about it, but this is an example of a place where the replacement isn't actually an upgrade, it's just an entirely different concept pretending to be something it's not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 9569845, member: 2067"] The broader point that I'm using this in support of is that it's not unreasonable to expect a general audience to [I]learn about[/I] the thing. We don't have to meet their expectations in a vacuum. We can expect people to learn that the Holy Roman Empire really was. This is a setting book. People want to learn about the setting. If the lore is too disappointing, I think the better move is to either yeet or generic up the subclass. We don't NEED a PDK subclass inherently, and something that redefines what a PDK is so totally isn't honoring that name. So if something that actually honors the name isn't actually interesting, we don't NEED it. Better no PDK than a PDK that isn't a PDK. Banneret would be the "generic up" option. Much like the knowledge cleric, if the subclass fills a more general need for a more generic archetype (leader-y fighter), you can avoid concerns with disappointing lore by not really relying on it. The practice of killing lore and taking its name is what got us a good 50% of the edition wars in 4e (if not more). I'm not binary about it, but this is an example of a place where the replacement isn't actually an upgrade, it's just an entirely different concept pretending to be something it's not. [/QUOTE]

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