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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenris-77" data-source="post: 7962792" data-attributes="member: 6993955">It's not about brutal and violent, as much as your position rests on that. It's about them being provably, demonstrably, evil. That's a crucial difference that you haven't addressed except to do some morally (and/or culturally) relativistic handwaving about nurture versus nature. Orcs, unless a table decides differently, are inherently evil, it says so in the stat block, no differently than demons or devils. The latter two I'm assuming you don't have this same problem with.What happens in your game is, not to put too fine a point on it, not terribly important to this discussion. Obviously people can do whatever they like in their own games, but those games don't have anything to with the game as a whole, it's history, or the contents of the rules - all of which support the position that orcs are inherently evil.</blockquote>