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<blockquote data-quote="Fenris-77" data-source="post: 7962975" data-attributes="member: 6993955">We seem to be going in circles. Yes, there are exceptions. Yes, alignment can be changed by DM fiat. However, barring those few exceptions, and barring DM fiat, what are orcs? Evil. That's the usage of default I'm indexing here - evil is what orcs are unless someone actively decides differently, which you seem to. That's fine, as I;ve said several times, we all get to run our own games (thank goodness). Unlike real life, where we never know about an individual, we do know about orcs, we know that their evil, which means there's no moral conundrum involved unless we make it so. That's the base expectation, the default, the standard, whatever we want to call it.That said, I wouldn't want my party killing orc women and children either. The optics there are bad for a heroic campaign. I don't put orc women and children into my campaign though, and if I did it would be precisely to provide a moral quandary to the players. If there was a village of neutral or good orcs that would be the same thing - added on purpose by me to play against type. Those exceptions are not somehow a standard for the game though, nor are they somehow assumed by the RAW. Those are both instances of DM fiat, at which point we aren't talking about the default any more.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fenris-77, post: 7962975, member: 6993955"] We seem to be going in circles. Yes, there are exceptions. Yes, alignment can be changed by DM fiat. However, barring those few exceptions, and barring DM fiat, what are orcs? Evil. That's the usage of default I'm indexing here - evil is what orcs are unless someone actively decides differently, which you seem to. That's fine, as I;ve said several times, we all get to run our own games (thank goodness). Unlike real life, where we never know about an individual, we do know about orcs, we know that their evil, which means there's no moral conundrum involved unless we make it so. That's the base expectation, the default, the standard, whatever we want to call it. That said, I wouldn't want my party killing orc women and children either. The optics there are bad for a heroic campaign. I don't put orc women and children into my campaign though, and if I did it would be precisely to provide a moral quandary to the players. If there was a village of neutral or good orcs that would be the same thing - added on purpose by me to play against type. Those exceptions are not somehow a standard for the game though, nor are they somehow assumed by the RAW. Those are both instances of DM fiat, at which point we aren't talking about the default any more. [/QUOTE]

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