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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7966174" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't fully understand this discussion of &quot;relative morality&quot;. I don't see what that has to do with the nature of orcs - the question of whether orcs are able to change, or not, is about the pscyhology and metaphysics of orcs (as per eg [USER=7021420]@fearsomepirate[/USER]'s post not far upthread). It has nothing to do with the semantics and metaphysics of morals.And [USER=6788736]@Flamestrike[/USER]'s posts don't seem to me to have anything to do with relative morality. In fact they seem to rest on a fairly strong conception of what it means to be good - namely, among other things, being good rules out the use of violence, especially lethal violence, against an orc simply because that orc is evil ie disposed to do bad things. Obviously it's not my place to put words in Flamestrike's mouth, but I wouldn't be surprised if s/he at least has some sympathy for the Socratic/Platonic notion that it is better to suffer evil than to inflict it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7966174, member: 42582"] I don't fully understand this discussion of "relative morality". I don't see what that has to do with the nature of orcs - the question of whether orcs are able to change, or not, is about the pscyhology and metaphysics of orcs (as per eg [USER=7021420]@fearsomepirate[/USER]'s post not far upthread). It has nothing to do with the semantics and metaphysics of morals. And [USER=6788736]@Flamestrike[/USER]'s posts don't seem to me to have anything to do with relative morality. In fact they seem to rest on a fairly strong conception of what it means to be good - namely, among other things, [I]being good [/I]rules out the use of violence, especially lethal violence, against an orc simply because that orc is evil ie disposed to do bad things. Obviously it's not my place to put words in Flamestrike's mouth, but I wouldn't be surprised if s/he at least has some sympathy for the Socratic/Platonic notion that [I]it is better to suffer evil than to inflict it[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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