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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 8601935" data-attributes="member: 907">No. Because if you didn't have NFTs and crypto, those renewables would still have been there and been used for other things. It's not like NFTs have caused more renewable energy to be produced.It's like another kickstarter I saw that was about extracting CO2 from the atmosphere and scrubbing it into carbon and oxygen, and then making jewelry from the carbon. They were claiming it was all good, because their energy came from renewables.Here's the thing: electricity is among the most fungible things there is. There's no difference between the electrons pushed around by a hydroelectrical plant, a nuclear plant, a coal plant, or a solar plant. When you as a consumer buy "renewable electricity", what you actually buy is a certificate from your power company that they in turn buy at least so-and-so much electricity from renewable sources, and they aren't allowed to sell more certs than they actually buy.There is a certain installed capacity for production of energy from renewable sources. If that capacity is exceeded, power companies start turning on the gas, coal, oil, and nuclear plants to meet demand. Then it doesn't matter that you bought "certified renewable" power, because your power consumption is still part of the overall power demand that makes the power companies turn to dirty power.Things can be immoral and worthy of scorn without being actually illegal.M:tG cards have an actual use though. They are tangible things people play with which brings people joy. One can attack the business model with a large number of mostly worthless common cards and a small number of cards people will pay big money for ("chase rares"), but at least they have a clear purpose. NFTs don't. There's nothing you can do with them that you can't do with a regular database at a fraction of the cost.In order to meet the demands of climate change, we need to both reduce our overall consumption of energy and change more of the energy produced to renewables. To add completely wasteful energy spending on NFTs and crypto in that situation is absolute madness.</blockquote>

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