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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9512307" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Yes. That's why you give several different examples of possible sources, for different ideas, to give others a model both for each of those individual things, and for how to do the same thing themselves.Citations, please. This is not objective fact. It's exactly the point in contention. You keep saying this. Until it's actually established to be true, your argument boils down to claiming victory by insistence.So obviously it's completely useless to help show people the ways they can put together their own lists?If you don't think Asimov considered the effects of accelerating technology, I'm not really sure what to tell you, but that's frankly beside the point. This is a complete non-sequitur, because again, it depends on this idea that every list is always, necessarily, inherently a condemnation of anything that isn' ton the list and a command from on high to never ever think about anything else but this one list.It isn't, it never has been, and anyone who actually cared about teaching new DMs--which is something I care very much about--would not write it that way. So it'd be really nice if you'd stop putting words in my mouth and accusing me of condemning anything at all, because that is literally the exact opposite of the point.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9512307, member: 6790260"] Yes. That's why you give several different examples of possible sources, for different ideas, to give others a model both for each of those individual things, and for how to [I]do the same thing themselves[/I]. Citations, please. This is not objective fact. It's exactly the point in contention. You keep saying this. Until it's actually established to be true, your argument boils down to claiming victory by insistence. So obviously it's completely useless to help show people the ways they can put together their own lists? If you don't think Asimov considered the effects of accelerating technology, I'm not really sure what to tell you, but that's frankly beside the point. This is a complete non-sequitur, because again, it depends on this idea that every list is always, necessarily, inherently a condemnation of anything that isn' ton the list and a command from on high to never ever think about anything else but this one list. It isn't, it never has been, and anyone who actually cared about teaching new DMs--which is something I care very much about--would not write it that way. So it'd be really nice if you'd stop putting words in my mouth and accusing me of condemning anything at all, because that is [I]literally the exact opposite of the point[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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