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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9513240" data-attributes="member: 18">Sure it's possible I am, or we both are, or neither and we're seeing different things. Don't disagree.No. Sorry. The fact, and I emphasize that word, is the majority of US university students come from better-off backgrounds relative to Americans in general. Sure, they then get absolutely mega-loaded with debt, which is a huge societal problem (and a problem for them), but that's different from their backgrounds, and as a whole are absolutely more isolated from societal problems than the average American whilst they are at university.For example:[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.ihep.org/press/how-wealth-not-just-income-shapes-college-access-and-success/[/URL]I don't want to get into the politics of this as this isn't the right place for it, but it's just not right to claim college students are some sort of even/egalitarian/meritocratic cross-section of US society (which appears to be your position - I can't see any other position you could be advocating for if you're denying they're typically from better-off backgrounds, unless it was that they were typically from worse-off backgrounds, but that seems unlikely to be your position, especially as it's obviously untrue).There are obviously also plenty of students who are from less-wealthy backgrounds (like my wife - who is American - who came from a single-parent family, and had zero support from her extended family, even active hostility, to her going to university), but as a whole, university students in the US represent, for perhaps obvious reasons, the wealthier segment of the population.Counter-culture has always been a simplistic misnomer, and this is obviously untrue because people, particularly young people, as a whole started getting less wealthy and seeing fewer opportunities in the '90s and '00s, as opposed to earlier in the 20th century. This is demonstrable economic fact. That you're claiming the exact opposite is wild, but to argue it in detail would require getting into US political and economic history, and again, this isn't the place for that.</blockquote>

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