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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9513269" data-attributes="member: 18">Fair point but yeah stealing effectively can make it so history relates that you did it. And speaking of World of Warcraft, an awful lot of things most people think WoW invented or revolutionized in MMORPGs actually came from games from 2001-2003 and WoW just nicked 'em (like instanced dungeons).Ok but am I doing that? If I am, like, please tell me how so I can stop!I'm not attacking YA as a whole, or using YA as an insult. I'm pointing out YA fantasy as an area where there's heavy gatekeeping, very intentional and even highly organised gatekeeping at that! That people openly discuss! And that the combined discussion of YA fantasy and Sanderson's Cosmere has really squeezed out a lot of discussion of any fantasy that isn't those in a lot of online spaces in the last five years.I don't think Appendix N-type stuff encourages gatekeeping in any meaningful way.Can such lists be used for gatekeeping? Sure, but that's not a reason not to have them where they offer insight or useful vibe suggestions. Anything can be appropriated and misused.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9513269, member: 18"] Fair point but yeah stealing effectively can make it so history relates that you did it. And speaking of World of Warcraft, an awful lot of things most people think WoW invented or revolutionized in MMORPGs actually came from games from 2001-2003 and WoW just nicked 'em (like instanced dungeons). Ok but am [B]I[/B] doing that? If I am, like, please tell me how so I can stop! I'm not attacking YA as a whole, or using YA as an insult. I'm pointing out YA fantasy as an area where there's heavy gatekeeping, very intentional and even highly organised gatekeeping at that! That people openly discuss! And that the combined discussion of YA fantasy and Sanderson's Cosmere has really squeezed out a lot of discussion of any fantasy that isn't those in a lot of online spaces in the last five years. I don't think Appendix N-type stuff encourages gatekeeping in any meaningful way. Can such lists be used for gatekeeping? Sure, but that's not a reason not to have them where they offer insight or useful vibe suggestions. Anything can be appropriated and misused. [/QUOTE]

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