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<blockquote data-quote="DammitVictor" data-source="post: 9283522" data-attributes="member: 6750908">Sure. That argument can be used against any criticism of the rules, existing or proposed; if you can just &quot;come up with your own&quot; rules for separating ancestry and heritage, why do you need the official rules to allow it? (I'm not making that argument. There are good reasons to do it.) I think these rules, if made official, if made a part of the core... will have negative effects on gameplay at more tables than it will positive. Negative, predictable consequences because they've been happening for far longer than I've been predicting them.Honestly... it's not even that I am predictably and obviously going to lose, because I've already lost. All the other changes I'm comparing this to happened before I recognized the problem for myself. (AD&amp;D was before my time, and I was fully in favor of the changes in 3.0 and PF1; I didn't start arguing for race-as-class and AD&amp;D restrictions until after I discovered the OSR.) I just want people to quit being so starry-eyed about it and acknowledge they're making a tradeoff and, in many cases, what they're sacrificing is the exact thing they're trying to accomplish: immersion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DammitVictor, post: 9283522, member: 6750908"] Sure. That argument can be used against any criticism of the rules, existing or proposed; if you can just "come up with your own" rules for separating ancestry and heritage, why do you need the official rules to allow it? (I'm not making that argument. There are good reasons to do it.) I think these rules, if made official, if made a part of the core... will have negative effects on gameplay at more tables than it will positive. Negative, [I]predictable[/I] consequences because they've been [I]happening[/I] for far longer than I've been [I]predicting[/I] them. Honestly... it's not even that I am [I]predictably[/I] and [I]obviously[/I] going to lose, because I've already lost. All the other changes I'm comparing this to happened before I recognized the problem for myself. (AD&D was before my time, and I was [I]fully in favor[/I] of the changes in 3.0 and PF1; I didn't start arguing for race-as-class and AD&D restrictions until after I discovered the OSR.) I just want people to quit being so starry-eyed about it and acknowledge they're making a tradeoff and, in many cases, what they're sacrificing is the exact thing they're trying to accomplish: [I]immersion[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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