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No Equivalent of Detect/Discern Lies in 5E?
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8328445" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>You can add it, but Zone of Truth was put in to serve the need and was limited as it was for a reason. </p><p></p><p>Bob walks into w room in two different multiverses. In one, Tim of Truth has cast 'Zone of Truth' - that prevents lies. In the other, Tim of Lies has cast 'discern lies' - which identifies lies. In both universes, Tim asks Bob whether Tim's outfit makes Tim look portly. The outfit is designed entirely to make someone look portly.</p><p></p><p>In Universe 1, Bob attempts to say, "No, you look amazing." The DM says, "You needed to roll a charisma saving throw. Failed? OK, Tim, Bob failed the save. The word "No" catches in your mouth when you try to say it, stopping you from speaking. Do you want to respond differently?"</p><p></p><p>In Universe 2, Bob says, "No, you look amazing." The DM turns to Tim and says, "Bob lied."</p><p></p><p>Where do you go in each Universe? </p><p></p><p>In Universe 1, could Bob repeat the same thing and just drop the word No? Can he say something else that is flattering?</p><p></p><p>In Universe 2, Tim has no idea what the lie was. Does he look portly? Does he not look amazing? Both? </p><p></p><p>In my experiences across editions, Zone of Truth is less prone to argument, I believe, and creates more clarity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8328445, member: 2629"] You can add it, but Zone of Truth was put in to serve the need and was limited as it was for a reason. Bob walks into w room in two different multiverses. In one, Tim of Truth has cast 'Zone of Truth' - that prevents lies. In the other, Tim of Lies has cast 'discern lies' - which identifies lies. In both universes, Tim asks Bob whether Tim's outfit makes Tim look portly. The outfit is designed entirely to make someone look portly. In Universe 1, Bob attempts to say, "No, you look amazing." The DM says, "You needed to roll a charisma saving throw. Failed? OK, Tim, Bob failed the save. The word "No" catches in your mouth when you try to say it, stopping you from speaking. Do you want to respond differently?" In Universe 2, Bob says, "No, you look amazing." The DM turns to Tim and says, "Bob lied." Where do you go in each Universe? In Universe 1, could Bob repeat the same thing and just drop the word No? Can he say something else that is flattering? In Universe 2, Tim has no idea what the lie was. Does he look portly? Does he not look amazing? Both? In my experiences across editions, Zone of Truth is less prone to argument, I believe, and creates more clarity. [/QUOTE]
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