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<blockquote data-quote="Philosopher" data-source="post: 5261975" data-attributes="member: 76803"><p>There seems to be a common line of reasoning among many (or at least some) of those defending WotC. They point out that the nay-sayers are making wild speculations without evidence (a fair point regarding plenty of nay-sayers). Then they turn around and claim that it will all be okay once WotC reprints the PHB1 Fighter and Warlord in future books. I'm sorry, but is there any <em>evidence</em> of this?</p><p></p><p>Regarding whether Essentials is a revision/new edition, I'm reminded of the frog in boiling water. Boil a pot of water, put the frog in, and he'll jump out right away. But if you put the frog in a pot of room temperature water and slowly bring it to a boil, the frog will remain where it is even after the water begins boiling. In other words, because the change happened so slowly, it didn't notice any change - but a very significant change certainly took place.</p><p></p><p>WotC's current model is to slowly put out modifications over time. To those who have been playing 4e and keeping up with the updates, there's no big deal at all to the changes being made in Essentials - they're not even seen as changes at all. To those who don't play 4e, or who play with the core 3 and don't follow updates, this is a big change. The revision/new edition can sneak up on you like that, even though you cannot specify a particular point in time in which to say, "Before this point it's 4.0 and after this point it's 4.5." In that sense, it's much like an evolving species - the changes over a few generations are insignificant, but given enough time, you have a new species.</p><p></p><p>Disclaimer 1 - I am not claiming that Essentials is analogous to being put in a pot of boiling water. The point of the analogy is to draw attention to the difference between slow changes and sudden changes and how noticeable they are.</p><p></p><p>Disclaimer 2 - I am not taking a stand one way or the other on whether Essentials is 4.5, I am only noting that it may legitimately appear one way or the other depending on one's starting point. Imaro has correctly pointed out why WotC doesn't want to call it 4.5, but how they choose to market it is different from what it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Philosopher, post: 5261975, member: 76803"] There seems to be a common line of reasoning among many (or at least some) of those defending WotC. They point out that the nay-sayers are making wild speculations without evidence (a fair point regarding plenty of nay-sayers). Then they turn around and claim that it will all be okay once WotC reprints the PHB1 Fighter and Warlord in future books. I'm sorry, but is there any [i]evidence[/i] of this? Regarding whether Essentials is a revision/new edition, I'm reminded of the frog in boiling water. Boil a pot of water, put the frog in, and he'll jump out right away. But if you put the frog in a pot of room temperature water and slowly bring it to a boil, the frog will remain where it is even after the water begins boiling. In other words, because the change happened so slowly, it didn't notice any change - but a very significant change certainly took place. WotC's current model is to slowly put out modifications over time. To those who have been playing 4e and keeping up with the updates, there's no big deal at all to the changes being made in Essentials - they're not even seen as changes at all. To those who don't play 4e, or who play with the core 3 and don't follow updates, this is a big change. The revision/new edition can sneak up on you like that, even though you cannot specify a particular point in time in which to say, "Before this point it's 4.0 and after this point it's 4.5." In that sense, it's much like an evolving species - the changes over a few generations are insignificant, but given enough time, you have a new species. Disclaimer 1 - I am not claiming that Essentials is analogous to being put in a pot of boiling water. The point of the analogy is to draw attention to the difference between slow changes and sudden changes and how noticeable they are. Disclaimer 2 - I am not taking a stand one way or the other on whether Essentials is 4.5, I am only noting that it may legitimately appear one way or the other depending on one's starting point. Imaro has correctly pointed out why WotC doesn't want to call it 4.5, but how they choose to market it is different from what it is. [/QUOTE]
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