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<blockquote data-quote="Cthulhudrew" data-source="post: 3592328" data-attributes="member: 4090"><p>Not sure what exactly you were right about, having seen the movie. Did the powers switch? Yes. Was it intentional? No. Did it severely impact the story and create plotholes you could drive a train truck through? Not really. The only real problem with it, as I saw it, came when Johnny was somehow able to absorb all the powers at the end, when before he was swapping them. Unexplained, kind of silly, but didn't really ruin the movie or anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, here's what I don't get. You originally were complaining that the power switching was just completely out of the nature of the Surfer's comic origins. To which I, and many others, suggested- why not wait and see exactly what the rationale is before bagging on it.</p><p></p><p>Then you suggested that the Surfer not taking advantage of the power switch and wiping everyone out was, in your terms, a plot hole, because logically- the Surfer should use that advantage to eliminate the competition.</p><p></p><p>When I suggested that's not in his nature, that he's not a cold-blooded murderer, you then argued this position:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, I'll leave the question of whether euthanization is any more or less murder than actual murder to other, more philosophical threads, as the answer really isn't germane here.</p><p></p><p>What is, is this- the Surfer murdering or euthanizing people isn't in his character as depicted in the comics. Never has been. The only times he's had to take a life, he's regretted it. He even asked Galactus to give him back his moral conscience- taking on years and years of guilt over leading the purple guy to planets to eat- for the sole reason that he felt he needed to bear that responsibility fully.</p><p></p><p>So, on the one hand, you're complaining that the Surfer's powers are depicted inconsistently with his comic depiction, yet you're suggesting that his character should be changed from his comic persona? </p><p></p><p>If anything, I'd think the latter choice- making the Surfer a murderer- would elicit far more ire from you (or any fan of the character) than taking some liberties with his powers- which have always been basically "do whatever the writer needs" sort of abilities anyway.</p><p></p><p>I just don't see any consistency in your arguments here. Particularly when you haven't seen this movie, nor the first one (by your own admission).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cthulhudrew, post: 3592328, member: 4090"] Not sure what exactly you were right about, having seen the movie. Did the powers switch? Yes. Was it intentional? No. Did it severely impact the story and create plotholes you could drive a train truck through? Not really. The only real problem with it, as I saw it, came when Johnny was somehow able to absorb all the powers at the end, when before he was swapping them. Unexplained, kind of silly, but didn't really ruin the movie or anything. See, here's what I don't get. You originally were complaining that the power switching was just completely out of the nature of the Surfer's comic origins. To which I, and many others, suggested- why not wait and see exactly what the rationale is before bagging on it. Then you suggested that the Surfer not taking advantage of the power switch and wiping everyone out was, in your terms, a plot hole, because logically- the Surfer should use that advantage to eliminate the competition. When I suggested that's not in his nature, that he's not a cold-blooded murderer, you then argued this position: Now, I'll leave the question of whether euthanization is any more or less murder than actual murder to other, more philosophical threads, as the answer really isn't germane here. What is, is this- the Surfer murdering or euthanizing people isn't in his character as depicted in the comics. Never has been. The only times he's had to take a life, he's regretted it. He even asked Galactus to give him back his moral conscience- taking on years and years of guilt over leading the purple guy to planets to eat- for the sole reason that he felt he needed to bear that responsibility fully. So, on the one hand, you're complaining that the Surfer's powers are depicted inconsistently with his comic depiction, yet you're suggesting that his character should be changed from his comic persona? If anything, I'd think the latter choice- making the Surfer a murderer- would elicit far more ire from you (or any fan of the character) than taking some liberties with his powers- which have always been basically "do whatever the writer needs" sort of abilities anyway. I just don't see any consistency in your arguments here. Particularly when you haven't seen this movie, nor the first one (by your own admission). [/QUOTE]
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