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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3632940" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>No, rejecting something based on its genre or based on samples of its content are merely differences of scale.</p><p></p><p>I rejected one movie based on a sample of its content.</p><p></p><p>You're rejecting an entire style of movies (or books, or whatever medium for which you express a dislike based on a genre preference) based on a smattering of exemplars of the genre you reject.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you're saying I can't have an opinion of something without experiencing the whole thing.</p><p></p><p>I say that <em>that</em> is an intellectually false position.</p><p></p><p>Humans- <em>all </em>humans- make decisions and form opinions based on incomplete data on a daily basis. What book to get, what meal to order, what car to buy...</p><p></p><p>Don't believe me? Ask a professional.</p><p></p><p>Did you read <em>Starship Troopers?</em> Did you see the movie? Did you see the straight-to-DVD sequel? How much info did you need to decide not to read or see the creations in questions? For some, it was a must-see as soon as the first Bugs appeared on screen. For some others, that sentiment was extinguished when they realized that the power-armor suited marines of the books were being replaced by soldiers with equipment essentially indistinguishable from the equipment of today and avoided it. Still others saw the film in the theatres and were disgusted that a sci-fi classic that dealt with politics & war had been reduced to a space soap opera.</p><p></p><p>(I was in group 2, saw the movie later on TV, and became a member of group 3. The Bugs <em>were</em> good, though.)</p><p></p><p>When you go to your local book store, you completely bypass all kinds of books to get to your preferred genre. For all you know, one of the books you've passed may be better than the best book you've ever read in your favorite genre...but you'll never know because you don't read books of that kind.</p><p></p><p>When you get to your favorite genre's section, you don't closely examine every book in minute detail to decide what to buy. You pass over Author A because you read her debut novel and hated it...nevermind that she's changed her style and won a Hugo or 2 in the past 8 years. You pass over Series B because a buddy told you it was a lot like another book you already read and found mediocre...never realizing that Series B was the critically acclaimed original ripped off poorly by that the book you disliked. You pick up Book C in a series because you like that author...nevermind that the book was written while the guy was in heroin rehab and changes everything you liked about the other books in the series with a "twist ending!"</p><p></p><p>All of these decisions made without complete information.</p><p></p><p>I saw a clip that I felt was both key and bad and made my decision. Because of that, I missed out on things like a ripoff of <em>The 5th Element</em> (BBEG is essentially a planet-sized cloud), and <em>further</em> mucking with the Surfer's powers (bringing back the dead).</p><p></p><p>I stand by my decision.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Reread my posts a little more carefully, please.</p><p></p><p>I did indeed say I didn't see the first movie. I had serious issues with casting of 2 of the main characters, and what I knew of it's script was pretty bad- it had been floating around Hollywood for at least 2 decades, going through numerous rewrites and producing some truly horrible screen tests. When the trailers started to run, I saw nothing to dissuade me of its quality. When the reviews started rolling in (professional AND those of my buds), I continued to have no reason to see it.</p><p></p><p>However, I <em>explicitly</em> said that I had intended to see <em>this</em> one, right up until the point I saw the power-switch clips.</p><p></p><p>In one of them, the reason for the switch was stated as being (I paraphrase the voiceover) "contact with the Silver Surfer." This conforms to the source material <em>not one bit.</em></p><p></p><p>And, as I stated earlier, the time that Johnny and Sue were confused and the extent to which they were confused <em>in the clip alone</em> was ample enough for them to be taken down by the Surfer (Johnny's being trampled by ordinary citizens, Sue was floating like a glowing baloon in a midway target-shooting game), which the clip also made evident didn't happen. </p><p></p><p>That simply wasn't believable in my book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 3632940, member: 19675"] No, rejecting something based on its genre or based on samples of its content are merely differences of scale. I rejected one movie based on a sample of its content. You're rejecting an entire style of movies (or books, or whatever medium for which you express a dislike based on a genre preference) based on a smattering of exemplars of the genre you reject. Again, you're saying I can't have an opinion of something without experiencing the whole thing. I say that [I]that[/I] is an intellectually false position. Humans- [I]all [/I]humans- make decisions and form opinions based on incomplete data on a daily basis. What book to get, what meal to order, what car to buy... Don't believe me? Ask a professional. Did you read [I]Starship Troopers?[/I] Did you see the movie? Did you see the straight-to-DVD sequel? How much info did you need to decide not to read or see the creations in questions? For some, it was a must-see as soon as the first Bugs appeared on screen. For some others, that sentiment was extinguished when they realized that the power-armor suited marines of the books were being replaced by soldiers with equipment essentially indistinguishable from the equipment of today and avoided it. Still others saw the film in the theatres and were disgusted that a sci-fi classic that dealt with politics & war had been reduced to a space soap opera. (I was in group 2, saw the movie later on TV, and became a member of group 3. The Bugs [I]were[/I] good, though.) When you go to your local book store, you completely bypass all kinds of books to get to your preferred genre. For all you know, one of the books you've passed may be better than the best book you've ever read in your favorite genre...but you'll never know because you don't read books of that kind. When you get to your favorite genre's section, you don't closely examine every book in minute detail to decide what to buy. You pass over Author A because you read her debut novel and hated it...nevermind that she's changed her style and won a Hugo or 2 in the past 8 years. You pass over Series B because a buddy told you it was a lot like another book you already read and found mediocre...never realizing that Series B was the critically acclaimed original ripped off poorly by that the book you disliked. You pick up Book C in a series because you like that author...nevermind that the book was written while the guy was in heroin rehab and changes everything you liked about the other books in the series with a "twist ending!" All of these decisions made without complete information. I saw a clip that I felt was both key and bad and made my decision. Because of that, I missed out on things like a ripoff of [I]The 5th Element[/I] (BBEG is essentially a planet-sized cloud), and [I]further[/I] mucking with the Surfer's powers (bringing back the dead). I stand by my decision. Reread my posts a little more carefully, please. I did indeed say I didn't see the first movie. I had serious issues with casting of 2 of the main characters, and what I knew of it's script was pretty bad- it had been floating around Hollywood for at least 2 decades, going through numerous rewrites and producing some truly horrible screen tests. When the trailers started to run, I saw nothing to dissuade me of its quality. When the reviews started rolling in (professional AND those of my buds), I continued to have no reason to see it. However, I [I]explicitly[/I] said that I had intended to see [I]this[/I] one, right up until the point I saw the power-switch clips. In one of them, the reason for the switch was stated as being (I paraphrase the voiceover) "contact with the Silver Surfer." This conforms to the source material [I]not one bit.[/I] And, as I stated earlier, the time that Johnny and Sue were confused and the extent to which they were confused [I]in the clip alone[/I] was ample enough for them to be taken down by the Surfer (Johnny's being trampled by ordinary citizens, Sue was floating like a glowing baloon in a midway target-shooting game), which the clip also made evident didn't happen. That simply wasn't believable in my book. [/QUOTE]
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