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<blockquote data-quote="Bagpuss" data-source="post: 5011506" data-attributes="member: 3987"><p>The way that is written it entirely backs my interpretation. That is written as a limitation on what the oracle can know. IE: If the information was never know by a creature living or dead then it cannot be know.</p><p></p><p>For a real world example, if you asked an oracle in the prehistoric times "Is mechanically power human flight possible?" It would not be able to answer, as no creature living or dead knew at that time.</p><p></p><p>If they wanted that sentence to be an indication of what an oracle actually knew, rather than a limit on what if could know it would have been written.</p><p></p><p>"If the answer to a question is known by any creature living or dead, then the oracle will know the answer."</p><p></p><p>They didn't phrase it that way for a reason. The way they did phrase it is clearly written as a restriction.</p><p></p><p><strong>This makes them unparalleled sources of information because they have the potential to have seen and heard everything, even information otherwise known to only one creature.</strong></p><p></p><p>Why use the word potential as well, when you're saying they automatically know information known to at least one creature.</p><p></p><p>Although there are other odd things about Consult Oracle.</p><p></p><p>It says <strong>You must phrase your question so that the oracle can answer it with a single word or a brief phrase.</strong></p><p></p><p>Yet Loremaster's Bargin states <strong>Unlike rituals that provide cryptic answers (Consult Oracle) or have limited scope (Consult Mystic Sages), the Loremaster’s Bargain ritual provides contact to a creature that might be genuinely informative and helpful, provided you convince it to help.</strong></p><p></p><p>Which implies Consult Oracle should be cryptic (how can one word answers be cryptic), and should be be genuinely informative or helpful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bagpuss, post: 5011506, member: 3987"] The way that is written it entirely backs my interpretation. That is written as a limitation on what the oracle can know. IE: If the information was never know by a creature living or dead then it cannot be know. For a real world example, if you asked an oracle in the prehistoric times "Is mechanically power human flight possible?" It would not be able to answer, as no creature living or dead knew at that time. If they wanted that sentence to be an indication of what an oracle actually knew, rather than a limit on what if could know it would have been written. "If the answer to a question is known by any creature living or dead, then the oracle will know the answer." They didn't phrase it that way for a reason. The way they did phrase it is clearly written as a restriction. [B]This makes them unparalleled sources of information because they have the potential to have seen and heard everything, even information otherwise known to only one creature.[/B] Why use the word potential as well, when you're saying they automatically know information known to at least one creature. Although there are other odd things about Consult Oracle. It says [B]You must phrase your question so that the oracle can answer it with a single word or a brief phrase.[/B] Yet Loremaster's Bargin states [B]Unlike rituals that provide cryptic answers (Consult Oracle) or have limited scope (Consult Mystic Sages), the Loremaster’s Bargain ritual provides contact to a creature that might be genuinely informative and helpful, provided you convince it to help.[/B] Which implies Consult Oracle should be cryptic (how can one word answers be cryptic), and should be be genuinely informative or helpful. [/QUOTE]
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