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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5011652" data-attributes="member: 82106">I think where I'm coming from is that a scenario is VERY likely to arise something like:Player: I cast Consult Oracle and ask "<plot unraveling question here>."DM: Uh.... (DM now has choice, unravel plot or limit what CO reveals by some means).Yes, the classic response to this is the DM should have thought of this ahead of time. Right.... So every single plot the DM uses from now on has to be CO-proofed by having the bad guys go through some pretzel twists of secretly hiring assassins in a dark room or some other similar nonsense. Or making up some kind of anti-divination rituals/items/whatever. Or who knows what. Its at best a monumental pain in the DM's backside. Worse still the players will inevitably find flaws in all of these DM machinations. The DM will forget to consider some plot angles in some situations, etc. The cost of casting the ritual will for a while deter player fishing expeditions, but by Epic level 3600 gp will be pocket change and any reasonably clever party will be spamming this thing all over the place. I'm perfectly fine with it working well most of the time and I agree that the DM should avoid nerfing things that the players are paying to use, but there ARE going to be times when the proper response is simply "you don't learn anything useful". Hopefully the DM will be able to couch that in terms of obscure or useless answers to questions, but there may be times when "the oracle doesn't know" is the option at hand. This simply WILL come up sometimes. I don't care if the ritual text said outright "the oracle always knows the answers to any question and always answers", it STILL isn't always going to produce good information in any given actual game if its used often enough. There's no theoretical or rules based question about this, it simply IS the way it will be. So I can completely understand the "these kinds of rituals are worthless" sentiment, though I think its pretty heavily overblown. CO will be highly useful to the party, but they shouldn't expect it to be a Swiss army knife any more than any other ability they have.</blockquote>

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