Aaron L
Hero
I got my list from
http://laura.chinet.com/html/titles01.html
http://laura.chinet.com/html/titles01.html
Noblity? help please?
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Tonguez said:
I am sorry, but that is not correct. For a start, you are leaving out the Duchy of Cornwall, which is held by the eldest son of the sovereign (even before his investiture as Prince of Wales).
And the duchy of York is not the title of the second son of the sovereign as such. The Queen made her second son Duke of York, but the title will be inherited by his sons, it will not pass to Prince Harry.
The duchy of York has been bestowed on many sons of sovereigns, as have the duchies of Gloucester, Richmond, Cumberland, Kent and a few others. And many times these lines have died out, the titles have reverted to the crown, and have been re-used. Or the senior line has died out, the dukes of York or whereever have inherited the throne, and the title has merged with the Crown. And been re-used.
And by the way, although there is a duchy of Lancaster, and although it is held by the Sovereign, there is no duke of Lancaster, because the Sovereign does not hold any lower hereditary titles: these become extinct on union with the Crown.
Regards,
Agback
Aaron L said:
Okay. I see that the list is dated 1818, ie. the middle of the Regency.
So there are two important points to make:
1) This list refers to a time more than three hundred years after the end of the mediaeval period in England (AD 1485), and includes many non-mediaeval developments.
2) This list includes many positions that are not titles of nobilty. In the first place it includes the incumbents of many offices in the Royal Household which (although they may be held by nobles, eg. 'Earl Marshal') are not titles of nobility. And in the second place it stretched down past the lower edges of the nobility into the gentry.
That's a nice site though. I have bookmarked it.
Regards,
