Non-Core Class Survivor: Round 3

Which class do you want to vote off the list?

  • Ardent (Complete Psionics)

    Votes: 4 2.2%
  • Archivist (Heroes of Horror)

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Artificer (Eberron Campaign Setting)

    Votes: 5 2.7%
  • Beguiler (Player's Handbook II)

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Binder (Tome of Magic)

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • Dragon Shaman (Player's Handbook II)

    Votes: 14 7.7%
  • Dread Necromancer (Heroes of Horror)

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Duskblade (Player's Handbook II)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Favored Soul (Complete Divine)

    Votes: 9 4.9%
  • Hexblade (Complete Warrior)

    Votes: 10 5.5%
  • Incarnate (Magic of Incarnum)

    Votes: 10 5.5%
  • Knight (Player's Handbook II)

    Votes: 10 5.5%
  • Lurk (Complete Psionics)

    Votes: 4 2.2%
  • Ninja (Complete Adventurer)

    Votes: 8 4.4%
  • Psion (Expanded Psionics Handbook)

    Votes: 4 2.2%
  • Psychic Warrior (Expanded Psionics Handbook)

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Scout (Complete Adventurer)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Shadowcaster (Tome of Magic)

    Votes: 4 2.2%
  • Shugenja (Complete Divine)

    Votes: 13 7.1%
  • Soulborn (Magic of Incarnum)

    Votes: 19 10.4%
  • Soulknife (Expanded Psionics Handbook)

    Votes: 6 3.3%
  • Spirit Shaman (Complete Divine)

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • Swashbuckler (Complete Warrior)

    Votes: 17 9.3%
  • Totemist (Magic of Incarnum)

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • Warlock (Complete Arcane)

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Warmage (Complete Arcane)

    Votes: 9 4.9%
  • Wilder (Expanded Psionics Handbook)

    Votes: 20 10.9%

  • Poll closed .
An analysis of the psionic classes:
If you are going to vote off psi classes at least get rid of the bad ones

Psion is as wizard, very powerful and flexable - not quite as overpowered as cleric but has arguable advantages on wizard.

Psi Warriors are great, very playable, lots of options they fit perfectly into a nitch where they are worse than fighters, unless given time to self buff - an excellent class.
(KingoSmack - not withstanding)

Lurks - psirogues -best of the new, but not enough skill pts. eventually can disrupt (SA) undead & constructs, where a rogue would be useless, fun to play.


Wilders kinda like a sorcerer with a ASF chance. They can abuse a few powers, but they have so few choices its hard to see playing one. mediocre class

Ardent - great concept & flavor but execution not wonderful - even more limited choices for powers than wilder, esp since I want to pick Mantales for RP reasons

Soulknives - My vote for first XPH class off the island - this was a great PrC concept in 3.0 (but excuted poorly) really lame as written in 3.5 - and it got stupid feats in ComPsi

Div Mind - bleh - good riddence
 

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Evilhalfling said:
Soulknives - My vote for first XPH class off the island - this was a great PrC concept in 3.0 (but excuted poorly) really lame as written in 3.5 - and it got stupid feats in ComPsi

I'd like to see the soulknife take his long walk off a pier sometime, too.

I don't think the 3.0 soulknife was actually that good. Cool concept, terrible mechanics, like not getting actual manifester levels. (Still better than the 3.5 version.) It couldn't decide whether it wanted to be a psychic warrior or psion PrC. The best version I've seen is the Blade Manifester in Hyperconscious, which happens to be clearly better for psions than psychic warriors. It keeps the ability to imbed powers in its mind blade, but the opponents still get saving throws (there are minor save DC boosts), keeping it balanced.
 


Kill the Necromancer! Let's see him bring himself back from the dead!

(and, hey, might have a chance this round)
 

Jdvn1 said:
Kill the Necromancer! Let's see him bring himself back from the dead!

(and, hey, might have a chance this round)
That was silly--your single vote cannot defeat his armies of the undead. You would have been better off pitting your might against the Dragon Shaman or something--Dragon Shaman might actually get voted off if a few more people speak up against it :D
 


Drowbane said:
And so I begin to vote off the first of the crappy Gish classes. Hexblade and PsyWarrior... you're next!
The fact that you consider a Soulborn to be more Gish than a Duskblade, the Gish class, is beyond my comprehension :D
 

Rystil Arden said:
That was silly--your single vote cannot defeat his armies of the undead. You would have been better off pitting your might against the Dragon Shaman or something--Dragon Shaman might actually get voted off if a few more people speak up against it :D
But the Dragon Shaman actually has potential and variety in a single class--sure, it is more Pure and Right than the Dread Necromancer. I've been casting my mighty vote against it for three full rounds. Sure an army might be great and powerful, but it will be worn down. And, others are rallying to join my cause (though you may not tell by the look of it). The end of the dreadful Dread Necromancer's reign is near!
 

Jdvn1 said:
But the Dragon Shaman actually has potential and variety in a single class--sure, it is more Pure and Right than the Dread Necromancer. I've been casting my mighty vote against it for three full rounds. Sure an army might be great and powerful, but it will be worn down. And, others are rallying to join my cause (though you may not tell by the look of it). The end of the dreadful Dread Necromancer's reign is near!
Check the votes--you're still the only one on DN unless I misread :D If you've taken this long to vote, might as well vote for one of the ones that is closer :p
 

Rystil Arden said:
Check the votes--you're still the only one on DN unless I misread :D If you've taken this long to vote, might as well vote for one of the ones that is closer :p
a) I am ninja
I think you missed the edit, probably by seconds
2) compare round 1 to round 2--my army grows. :D
 

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