NOOO! Jar Jar to appear in Return of the Jedi DVD

[reanjr]

At which point did Lucas start hating us?

It's not that he hates you SW people. He just doesn't respect you. He's content taking your money over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for the same schlock. You're gonna pay for it anyway. And by updating some things, he might be able to get some 10-20 year olds to buy them as well. Those are the customers he cares about. You guys are shoe-ins and under the point of consideration.

 

[KenM]

It's not that he hates you SW people. He just doesn't respect you. He's content taking your money over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for the same schlock. You're gonna pay for it anyway. And by updating some things, he might be able to get some 10-20 year olds to buy them as well. Those are the customers he cares about. You guys are shoe-ins and under the point of consideration.

At least Peter Jackson said from the start of him doing Lord of the Rings that he would be doing both a theactical cut and extended edtion of each movie. Honest with us from the start.

 

[BSF]

Nah, not really. I haven't bought any of the new crap, I mean, new films. Nor do I plan to. I suppose somebody might think it will make a good present, but I won't fork over cash for them. I am content to watch my VHS versions of the original films. The changes to the DVD's don't sound all that stellar either. I hope it does well for him, but I won't be part of the consumer base until I have access to the films as I saw them.

 

[John Crichton]

Actually, I've heard sound bites of part of the Emperor/Vader conversation. It is that bad, because the change violates continuity and throws the motives behind Vader's actions for the first half of the movie into doubt. I suppose it's possible that, at some point earlier in the movie, they say something else to clear it up--but then, why change it in the first place?

I'm not sure. Honestly, I'm waiting for the final product to pass any judgement. What I remember about the SEs was that there were some tweaks that didn't lessen the experience for me. Yes, some things changed but it wasn't that bad. Oh, except Greedo shooting first. My eyes were quite wide at that. That was really the only problem I had.

It's not just about things being different. I feel thatmany of the changes Lucas made, for the SE and the current DVDs, are bad. Greedo shooting first? Bad. Luke's dialogue to R2 on Dagobah changing? Bad. Luke screaming in the shaft on Bespin? Bad. Vader's poorly dubbed and unnecessary dialogue change when leaving Bespin? Bad. The new conversation between Vader and the Emperor? Bad. Hayden instead of Shaw? Bad.

All IMO, of course. And I know that you weren't talking specifically about me, so I hope I'm not coming across as argumentative. I just want to make it clear that this is not about old grognards whining. There really is, in the minds of many, a true qualitative difference.

I can see that and I can agree that many of the changes can be viewed as negative. My only possible response is: Let's wait and see how all 6 play out when all is said and done. Ever since the SEs and Eps 1-3 were announced I've seen the Star Wars Saga as a work in progress which includes the films that were already released.

If it all sucks and makes no sense in the end then so be it. I'm interested to see how it all pans out and really hope others feel the same.

No, the films aren't what we remember them as. Another poster said that it would be interesting to get an opinion from someone who never saw the originals when all six are out and "Lucasized." It would be. I plan on asking my kids. Er, when I have them somewhere in the future. Luckily, I'll have my original widescreen OT still on VHS and untouched. I'll probably pick up the laserdiscs somewhere along the way as well.

However, your ultimate point--that the original versions should be available no matter what else Lucas does--I agree with six million percent.

I think that is a sentiment shared by all here.

 

[John Crichton]

Yep. Every single instance of a character or dialogue change in the SE's was worse than the original version. Some of the effects were a LOT better though, and that does help to even things up a bit.

I think it all evens out considering that dialogue has never been great in Star Wars. I still cringe at some of the lines from the OT.

Oh, again, except Greedo/Han. That was dumb.

ROTJ has always been cool, but in time I did recognize the disappointment it was after the spectacular set up by ESB. Adding Gungans won't be the first silly thing included in the movie. Its not like they'll be replacing cheering Rebel troops, they'll most likely be inserted in place of some celebrating...ewoks. Not a huge step down. But poor, poor ESB. And it didn't have to be so.

You could always just ignore the existance of the SEs. No need to let anyone bring down something you enjoy.

 

[John Crichton]

It's not that he hates you SW people. He just doesn't respect you. He's content taking your money over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for the same schlock. You're gonna pay for it anyway. And by updating some things, he might be able to get some 10-20 year olds to buy them as well. Those are the customers he cares about. You guys are shoe-ins and under the point of consideration.

Hey, sounds like a business to me.

At least Peter Jackson said from the start of him doing Lord of the Rings that he would be doing both a theactical cut and extended edtion of each movie. Honest with us from the start.

Bah. We have no idea what Jackson will do in the future. Nor does he have the same stake in LotR as Lucas does in Star Wars. Lucas is Star Wars. Jackson adapted an already classic story. There is a difference.

Not to mention that when it came out, Lucas had no idea Star Wars would make it past the first film.

I'm not putting down Jackson. He did a wonderful job overall but the comparisons make no sense to me. The only comparison between the two, to me (considering I've never met either of them), is that Jackson is much better director and always has been.

All of the marketing stuff and so on means next to nothing. I can't fault Lucas for feeding the Star Wars frenzy. If people didn't want the stuff then he wouldn't be making it. Same goes for all successful businesses.

 

[Mouseferatu]

A guy on LiveJournal has posted links to some pics/screen caps of changes in the new DVD sets. You can find the entry here.

Just thought I'd share, for good or ill.

 

[John Crichton]

A guy on LiveJournal has posted links to some pics/screen caps of changes in the new DVD sets. You can find the entry here.

Just thought I'd share, for good or ill.

Ah, thankee for the linkage.

I will most likely not be checking them out as these days I try to avoid all spoilers for anything I plan on watching in the future.

But I may be tempted...

 

[ironmani]

I bet Lucas is sitting at the Skywalker ranch going, "They spent how much even after I changed it? Damn lets see how far I can push it then!"
Adding Jabba to ANH. I can deal with that. Its all good.
Greedo shooting first? WTF?
Hayden being added at the end? Double WTF!?!?!?!?!?!
Thank god I got the orginals on VHS. Once a year, I break them out, bask in thier glory, and then seal them up again.

 

[Kai Lord]

A guy on LiveJournal has posted links to some pics/screen caps of changes in the new DVD sets. Just thought I'd share, for good or ill.

Well I will say that the new ANH Jabba looks a thousand times better than the old one. And thank God its still Sebastian Shaw when Luke removes the helmet.