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<blockquote data-quote="Sunderstone" data-source="post: 3941688" data-attributes="member: 23497"><p>But thats the point, its the "Splats". Keep it in the splats I say, not in the 4E CORE. This way we at least can keep the core and decide if we want a particular splat. 4E is going to ram splat down our throats and merge it with the core.</p><p></p><p>FWIW, I liked every edition thus far (even 2nd edition), and I couldnt wait to get the 3E core books, and I wasnt disappointed. I avoided the entire 3.5 "Complete" series after purchasing the largely broken softcover ones for 3E. I skipped ToM and Bo9S as well. The only bad experience since cutting out splats that ive had was the Elemental Archon PrC from the FR books. </p><p>I think largely untested splats are what leads us to alot of rules problems (besides clunky grappling, early polymorph, etc from the core). Instead of fixing/streamlining these, WotC cries "The game is broken and we are going to rebuild the game from the ground up".</p><p></p><p>So what do they do? Do they learn from mistakes, doesnt look like it. Now we get splats integrated into the core with the same book, zero backwards compatibility, and to top it off most of the changes seem to be <strong>Flavor more than Rules</strong>. All we hear is news on flavor changes, Id rather see heavy emphasis on rules problems.</p><p>I see elements of Eberron (possible warforged in the realms), FR (the new core), and DL (Draconians a.k.a. Dragonborne) all thrown together into one edition for the "coolness factor" which preserves nothing from each settings particular flavor. And they have the brass ones to go on record and say, "too bad we are doing it anyway, you cant stop it".</p><p></p><p>3.5 isnt broken, not by a mile. It could use some streamlining for the clunky stuff, but its not broken. As Darrin Drader posted, 4E is a whole new ball of wax, some parts will be clunky there as well as it will be so radically new. There will be errata/enhancements for it as well (that you will have to pay monthly for, thats my guess). </p><p>New Core books every year is just a way of packaging errata for us to burn money on, cloaked with some new stuff to keep us quiet.</p><p></p><p>As always I end with.... 4E is NOT D&D, its WotC's new rpg "Warlocks and Warriors".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunderstone, post: 3941688, member: 23497"] But thats the point, its the "Splats". Keep it in the splats I say, not in the 4E CORE. This way we at least can keep the core and decide if we want a particular splat. 4E is going to ram splat down our throats and merge it with the core. FWIW, I liked every edition thus far (even 2nd edition), and I couldnt wait to get the 3E core books, and I wasnt disappointed. I avoided the entire 3.5 "Complete" series after purchasing the largely broken softcover ones for 3E. I skipped ToM and Bo9S as well. The only bad experience since cutting out splats that ive had was the Elemental Archon PrC from the FR books. I think largely untested splats are what leads us to alot of rules problems (besides clunky grappling, early polymorph, etc from the core). Instead of fixing/streamlining these, WotC cries "The game is broken and we are going to rebuild the game from the ground up". So what do they do? Do they learn from mistakes, doesnt look like it. Now we get splats integrated into the core with the same book, zero backwards compatibility, and to top it off most of the changes seem to be [B]Flavor more than Rules[/B]. All we hear is news on flavor changes, Id rather see heavy emphasis on rules problems. I see elements of Eberron (possible warforged in the realms), FR (the new core), and DL (Draconians a.k.a. Dragonborne) all thrown together into one edition for the "coolness factor" which preserves nothing from each settings particular flavor. And they have the brass ones to go on record and say, "too bad we are doing it anyway, you cant stop it". 3.5 isnt broken, not by a mile. It could use some streamlining for the clunky stuff, but its not broken. As Darrin Drader posted, 4E is a whole new ball of wax, some parts will be clunky there as well as it will be so radically new. There will be errata/enhancements for it as well (that you will have to pay monthly for, thats my guess). New Core books every year is just a way of packaging errata for us to burn money on, cloaked with some new stuff to keep us quiet. As always I end with.... 4E is NOT D&D, its WotC's new rpg "Warlocks and Warriors". [/QUOTE]
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