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Not your father's Cyberpunk

Doctor Doom

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I'm using the term 'cyberpunk' to describe a broad range of ideas from Megacorps, dystopian futures, and nihilism to slightly utopian, technologically advanced, Brave New World-esque settings. In this definition the future as shown in Aliens, 5th Element, and Star Wars: TPM are all cyberpunk (and I think the 'cyberpunkness' of Star Wars will be shown in even more detail in the Attack of the Clones movie).

So with that setup, these questions:

What do you look for in a cyberpunk setting?

What do you particularly like?

What do you particularly like dislike?

What would you like to see added, changed, or updated?

I am in the midst of developing a new cyberpunk setting and I want it to be something new. I think a lot of the cyberpunk settings are still stuck in an 80's/90's mindset, which isn't surprising as they are mostly based on cyberpunk202 and shadowrun, both developed initially in the 90's and based on movies and sources from the 80's (Blade Runner, Aliens).

But with the media sources we have now in movies and literature, how has the ideas of cyberpunk changed, how should they be updated?

Comments appreciated.
 

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I want full borgs.
Stat enhancing drugs.
Guns.
Lots of guns.
And explosives.
And verchicles.
And evil corporations.


Also everyone who likes cyberpunk should checkout the very Cyberpunkish Cityscape from Battlefield Press. Its hould be hitting the stores mid to late April.
 

too often, Cyberpunk games that I've played tend to follow the "Like now, but with more guns" model, and that's not very good (and is really more a GM Preparation issue I guess).

The list of wants that UD posted above is a good one.

My least favorite part of Cyberpunk 2020 was it's drugs=bad golden rule. I understand it was published during the height of the US's War on Drugs, but I wasnt to see stat enhancning drugs without side effects (they should definitely cost more than the ones with side effects).

I don't want to see magic in my cyberpunk.

I would like to see some kind of way for netrunning to not casue the game to grind to a halt for non-netrunners.

I want to see different social groupings appearing in the breakdown of traditonal "society"...certainly more than just the street gang.

The best, most useful cyberpunk setting I have ever used was GURPS Cyberworld. Pick it up if you can..it's awesome.
 

Hey,

I generally prefer a dark future form of cyberpunk. Basically, take all the potentially bad trends of the present and take them to their worst conclusion (short of total annihilation). Large gaps between the rich and the poor. Total reliance on technology. Near or total destruction of the environment. Ethically questionable technology. Corrupt/Ineffective governments, super powerful interest groups, etc. The internet should play an important and sinister role.

The one caveat would be that the setting should seem close to reality. No photon guns or invisible shields, just things that seem like they could exist in the future.

I know that's not terribly specific, but I hope it helps.
 

Arrrgh... I just lost 5 minutes of typing.

I think that we have to first look at some of the base premises of Cyberpunk settings of the 90s

- If it is Asian - it must be good. Many of these games were written at the nadir of Janpanese prosperity. I think that Chinese or Latin Americanization is far more likely.

- Megacorps - The simple fact of the matter is that there is no way that a corporation will ever (under current social settings) have the resources that a nation has (even a relatively poor one like Gambia)

- World-wide Cataclysm. This is always the ace in the hole for the game designer. Something "bad" happens and the world suddenly changed. I think that we have all learned after Sept 11th that governments and societies are more resilient than we gave them credit for.

-America is not going to Balkanize - we as a nation are simply to homogenic - in reality there is nothing to differentiate a Coloradan from a Georgian......

-Science always moves quicker than we think it will - and in directions not anticipated.

That being said: here are some changes that I would make -

Up the level of Cybernetic enhancement in the society - right now the only body part that we are incapable of copying is the Brain.

Up the amount and type of Biological Enhancement - why go the way of Metal when you can have your Genes manipulated

Adventuring Parties are sponsored by Governments - there is no way that ANY government is going to let the kind of hardware that typical Cyberpunk bands have just walk around thier nation with that kind of Hardware.

If I come up with anything else - I will write it down here....
 

Utrecht said:

- Megacorps - The simple fact of the matter is that there is no way that a corporation will ever (under current social settings) have the resources that a nation has (even a relatively poor one like Gambia)

You know Microsoft has the resources to buy quite a few small countries...
 

I agree with Teflon Billy that there shouldn't be magic of any form whatsoever in cyberpunk. However, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be anything supernatural (or supernatural-seeming), so to speak. I would love to see a game with rules for psionics, especially one where biological/cybernetic enhancements are readily available.

Even if it's not true psychic power, I think it would feel incomplete without something that at least seems supernatural to the untrained eye. Something like an implant that emits a field to give the user partial control over nearby electronics equipment would certainly scare the bejesus out of anyone who didn't know what was going on. Granted, there needs to be some sort of limitation on things like this, in order to maintain game balance.

Hope that helps!
 

I also want the world to be dark, grim and gritty. Where only the supper rich have it easy, and everyone else has the pits.
 

Brave New World has always been one of my favorite examples for Cyberpunk.

That and a little known novel called Jonny Zed.

Both dealt with problems of overpowering governments not corporations.



In a realistic extraction of a posible dark future I think it will be a mixed bag.

Not just corps and not just governments and in fact not just both of them.

We'll have a lot of religious and political extremism going about as well. The situation with the middle east will get worse and spread. Eventually christian militants will get violent again if corps and governments continue to fail to meet their demands and they observe islamic extremist tactics enough.

(we're talking worse case scenerios after all)

The poor and disenfranchised will continue to rise up in some areas where Noam Chomsky-esque media-tactics aren't strong enough to control them like they are in the first world.

If we want worse case scenerios we assume they figure out how on their limited resources to cause trouble outside of their own home domains. Bringing their uprisings into the first world.

But as always the disenfranchised in the first world will sit about complacently and do nothing but drugs, sex, media, and welfare state their lives away.

Japan will not be the power it is in many gaming Cyberpunk and 80's novels. If you look at the problems it is facing right now it's pretty clear it's a fading power that will take a few generations to recover. Somebody else in asia will take it's place. I don't think China just yet as it has too many issues of it's own. Korea? They've got problems right now but none of their issues of the long-term ingrained variety. If they can get past current hurdles and if the north doesn't become an issue they could be a power. But the north becoming an issue is not a reliable thing to base a hypothesis on. None of the powers in south-east asia seem to be getting anywhere. But that could change very rapidly with a change in government. Several of them showed the potential in the 90's before the asian-crash.

In a worse case scenerio we see a war between China and Taiwan that involves a small nuclear exchange. Likewise with India and Pakistan.

So we can place a few 'glass cities' in both regions for our cyberpunk setting. And assume that the resulting devasting has kept those countries from getting anywhere.

The native Taiwanese in fact might find such an exchange just the excuse they need to finally push the Chinese occupation off the island and back to the mainland thus removing any validation for China's claims over the place. But leaving them a 3rd world power in the process if we assume their major economic centers get 'glassed'.

I always thought it was interesting how in 'Islands in the Net' South Africa had managed to become a utopian state of equality and economic prosperity. But I don't see it happening all that quickly.

The current wars in Africa will probably be the current wars in Africa 100 years from now unless some factor steps in and changes it. Presently there is no factor with an actual interest in doing so as the current status quo benifits first world corporations.

But an idea I head mused about NPR provides for a whole new problem: African terrorists striking out as western colonials and their mega corps.

(The guy on NPR was musing that that will be the nature of our next generation of terrorism).


The net:
Won't go neural. I just don't see it.

Cyberware:
Not likely as a fashion statement.
Though some minor enhancements might be if they suit the right kinds of needs.

Toss out cyber-psychosis. It was a silly idea to begin with.

Space:
It will take longer than 80's Cyberpunk mused to colonize this place. Not because we can't, but because we don't have the will yet.

On the other hand if we suddenly find some major resource in space we could end up with a 'gold rush' and colonise the system.

They said it would take 1000 years for the USA to reach the west coast. Obviously the technology advancements of the 18 and 1900's proved that wrong...

So who knows what will happen in the solar system or even beyond if we find a reason for it to be profitable to go there.

I've no idea what I'd do with Latin America. That place seems to have been in stasis for much of the last half century. Will it stay so? Will free trade agreements awaken the region? If that was the cause we could see a lot of 'corporate states' down there.

Take that old movie 'Brazil' and actually run it there. :D

The EU's made the right choices to keep itself stable for a while, but the UK is likely to be a third world power by the end of the next century unless they start getting with the program.

No good ideas for Russia, west asia, and eastern europe.


I think you're dark future in general would have a lot of governements that get stronger. and a lot of corps that pull more weight with them.

Open corporate control is not something I see though.
 

Utrecht said:
-America is not going to Balkanize - we as a nation are simply to homogenic - in reality there is nothing to differentiate a Coloradan from a Georgian......
I agree with your conclusion but for opposite reasons.

Americans have learned to embrace change and diversity in a way no other society in human history has.

The ability to survive change and adapt is what sets humanity off from the other animals. And Americans among the human civilizations have mastered it better than any others.

We change our culture and accept foreign ideas as a matter of course.

We have no real fear of the foreign or alien left in us. We embrace it where other civilizations attempt to legislate against it.

Sure we do a little of that as well. Which shows we have not fully progressed in this department.

But we are much better to adapt to sudden change than any other civilization.

Time and time again in our history we have had some other power trump us when it rolled out it's one trick pony. Everybody thought 'well that's it the Americans are done for' but a few laters we come back with a whole new plan and a whole new way of approaching the problem and the other side is still stuck in it's one trick pony and eventually the trick gets old...

As long as we keep the ability to adapt; we will not fall. Though the people who call themselves Americans in the future may be something totally alien to what we think an American is today.

For one thing they're likely to look very different... given current migration, immigration, and birth rate trends. :D

We won't get upstaged until another civilization comes along that is even better at adapting than us. Which in my opinion won't happen until a civilization is again formed by a mass immigration of people from other regions to one common place. There's no reall room for that on the planet; but space may be it. Space may be our downfall. Or the sea if we for some reason start colonizing there.
 

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