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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shoak1" data-source="post: 6752367" data-attributes="member: 54380">XP and HD were the main tools.  And monsters weren't as complicated, so it was much easier to judge their "CR".  Back in the day, more people seemed to be on somewhat similar pages re how difficult encounters should be.  In 5e there is a HUGE disparity between what people consider to be a proper challenge.  Back in 1e/2e days, gamers were more "hardcore' and wanted tough challenges.  Nowadays you have more casual gamers used to respawn video games where you dont have to be that careful to get through an encounter.The problem w/5e's CR system is that it is based on flawed mathematical formulas rather than on real gaming experience.  Its like they hired a guy to do the math and assign the ratings w/o having some senior playtesters check it over to make sure it made sense.  And then the decision to make NPCs different than PCs is....bad.  In my world, and many, NPCs and monsters are encountered just as frequently as each other, or at least 30% of encounters.  There is a 5e MM I can refer to in order to get monsters, but just a few handfulls of pages of npcS.  So I have to create the vast majority of them from scratch - that's a time sink.  Not to mention then having to figure out their CR</blockquote>