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<blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1111687" data-attributes="member: 1194">Here's the hilarious part, Olorin:NOBODY KNOWS.Isn't that funny? No matter what anybody tells you about natural attacks, it has never beem clarified what WotC means by &quot;natural attacks never gain iterative attacks&quot;. There are examples that support both approaches.I'd have to say the slightler more popular approach is that once you have natural weapons, you strangely can't use your BAB progression with them. Meaning, that in your example, he has to choose between EITHER a full attack (2 claws and bite), or his normal BAB progreassion (+9/+4), and he could choose which weapons, keeping in mind if any secondary attacks would be penalized. Wait, that doesn't work - there shouldn't be a double penalty there, but it seems that's the approach.The other approach is as clear as the hand in front of my face (IMO):What &quot;natural attacks never gain iterative attacks&quot; means is simply that no creature gains multiple natural attack progression on iterative attacks (meaning that your druid polar bear there wouldn't get 2 +9 claw attacks and a +4 bite attack, then get 2 +4 claw attacks and a -1 bite attack). It would NOT mean that you don't get your normal iterative attacks.So your Druid there should get the 3 initial claw/claw/bite natural attacks, then his +4 iterative attack from his 'own levels'. This attack should probably use the primary weapon, to dodge any secondary weapon wonkiness. No - actually, on that second BAB attack, any of the attacks would be primary, since he's not getting iterative attack sequence on the second, BAB-granted attack.The more I read that phrase &quot;natural attacks never gain iterative attacks&quot;, the more clear and obvious it is to me. The natural attacks aren't getting iterative attacks - the BAB is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="reapersaurus, post: 1111687, member: 1194"] Here's the hilarious part, Olorin: NOBODY KNOWS. Isn't that funny? No matter what anybody tells you about natural attacks, it has never beem clarified what WotC means by "natural attacks never gain iterative attacks". There are examples that support both approaches. I'd have to say the slightler more popular approach is that once you have natural weapons, you strangely can't use your BAB progression with them. Meaning, that in your example, he has to choose between EITHER a full attack (2 claws and bite), or his normal BAB progreassion (+9/+4), and he could choose which weapons, keeping in mind if any secondary attacks would be penalized. Wait, that doesn't work - there shouldn't be a double penalty there, but it seems that's the approach. The other approach is as clear as the hand in front of my face (IMO): What "natural attacks never gain iterative attacks" means is simply that no creature gains multiple natural attack progression on iterative attacks (meaning that your druid polar bear there wouldn't get 2 +9 claw attacks and a +4 bite attack, then get 2 +4 claw attacks and a -1 bite attack). It would NOT mean that you don't get your normal iterative attacks. So your Druid there should get the 3 initial claw/claw/bite natural attacks, then his +4 iterative attack from his 'own levels'. This attack should probably use the primary weapon, to dodge any secondary weapon wonkiness. No - actually, on that second BAB attack, any of the attacks would be primary, since he's not getting iterative attack sequence on the second, BAB-granted attack. The more I read that phrase "natural attacks never gain iterative attacks", the more clear and obvious it is to me. The natural attacks aren't getting iterative attacks - the BAB is. [/QUOTE]

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