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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1120972" data-attributes="member: 1194">I love how he invents a new term (trained attack) to give him "rules backup". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />Seriously, until WotC makes it official, we are ALL in house rules territory with all of this (polymorph, wildshaping, and lycanthrope/monsters with levels).Again, I love how prejudiced and ridiculous it sounds when they call a humanoid's attacks "trained", but supposedly an intelligent monster who has class levels, or even a humanoid who was born a natural lycanthrope couldn't ever "train" their unarmed attack? suuuure...They only have a rules approach for unintelligent, non-classed monsters. Everything else WotC is unwilling to clarify.Lastly, I think trying to get the rules straight on Polymorph is really the weakest and stickiest case:I don't actually view Wildshape the same as Polymorph - Polymorph is a mage's cheesy change-form-into-anything spell - it's not like the form is a part of the mage in any way, he shouldn't become familiar with the form. Wildshaping, however, is very much an intrinsic part of a Druid's magic, and the limited forms he can take SHOULD be natural to him.Even moreso, a Lycanthrope's form IS a part of him, and any rules interpretation to deny a 12th level Weretiger Fighter (with MultiAttack) from getting BAB attacks of +12 weapon/+10 claw/+10 bite/+7 weapon/+2 weapon would be met with serious questioning on my part...edit: oops, I forgot to point out how the WotC Customer support guy forgot that the -1 size penalty to attack doesn't apply to grapples. It should have been +12 in the example, not +11.</blockquote>

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