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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 9051374" data-attributes="member: 57112">There is "guilt by association" which can be done to draw unfair and inaccurate conclusions about people...But there is also the fact that if there are five people at a table, and four of them are loud and open bigots and the fifth is absolutely fine with them, then that table has five bigots at it.I will say that I watched the Duck interview in question and nothing he said particularly rose any red flags or concerns of dog-whistling. He spoke like somebody out of touch and who the culture has left far behind, but that's going to include pretty much any octogenarian. His example of "woke" is not understanding why people might object to fantasy racism, Elves and Dwarves hating each other being a foundation of the fantasy genre he's likely to have consumed for at least half a century. Even his comment about gender seemed relatively benign, with none of the malice or mocking that Ernie had speaking on the same subject. If this interview were given in 2012 instead of saying "woke" he'd probably have blamed "millennials" and meant roughly the same thing: those sensitive youths. That said, he also doesn't seem like he's under any particular level of duress. Lacking any other evidence to the contrary (evidence which, generally speaking, is rarely subtle), abuse is not the narrative that I would jump immediately to. Not to say it's not possible, and it certainly seems to be a dynamic that Justin would prefer, but Occam's Razor being what it is, he is far more likely to be there by choice. Especially if it is actually true that he owns another home.Which means that which person he is at that table is immaterial as long as he stays there; the table is full of bigots.</blockquote>

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