[NYT] The hunger for fantasy

Krug

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http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/16/movies/16SCOT.html

The summation is quite an insult to loves of fantasies though... I have extracted parts, but it might be best if you read the whole damn thing before critiqueing.


Perhaps more than ever before, Hollywood is an empire of fantasy. But despite the popularity of these movies — and despite the unmatched power of the studios to blanket the real world with publicity, advertising and media hype — Hollywood is not the center of this empire. It is, rather, a colonial outpost whose conquest has been recent and remains incomplete.

Fantasy literature, which in the broadest sense includes modes of storytelling from novels to movies to video games, depends on patterns, motifs and archetypes. It is therefore hardly surprising that the most visible modern variants of the ancient genres of saga, romance and quest narrative are so richly crosspollinated and resemble one another. The central characters show an especially close kinship. They are, following a convention so deep it seems to be encoded in the human storytelling gene, orphans, summoned out of obscurity to undertake a journey into the heart of evil that will also be a voyage of self-discovery. Frodo Baggins lives quietly in an obscure corner of the Shire, oblivious to the metaphysical storm brewing in distant Mordor. Luke Skywalker dwells, like Dorothy in Kansas, in a dusty hinterland far removed from the imperial center of things. Harry Potter, in his suburban Muggle exile, bides his time shut up in a closet under the stairs, a prisoner of his beastly aunt and uncle. Peter Parker (Spidey), meanwhile, occupies a more benign and familiar modern environment in Woodhaven, Queens, and is cared for by much nicer relatives.
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For all their ancient and futuristic trappings, fantasy stories speak directly to the condition of contemporary male adolescence, and they offer a Utopian solution to the anxiety and dislocation that are part of the pyschic landscape of youth. Freaks become heroes. The confusing issue of sex is kept at a safe distance; romantic considerations are ancillary to the fight against evil, and to the cameraderie of warriors. But ultimately, whatever fellowship he may have found along the way, the hero's quest is solitary, his triumph an allegory of the personal fulfillment that is, in the real world, both a birthright and a mirage.
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The appeal of fantasy has been especially powerful among those who find themselves marginalized by the brutal social universe of American secondary education — geeks, losers, nerds. You remember them from high school — or you remember being one of them — the guys who filled their notebooks with meticulous line drawings of broadsword-wielding berserkers and their large-breasted consorts, who staffed the tech crew for the spring theatricals and dominated the computer club, who used words like "grok" in ordinary conversation. Their devotion to sci-fi and sword-and-sorcery arcana invited ridicule, but was also a defense against it. But such mockery is, by now, obsolete. The triumph of fantasy culture, like the transformation of the cult of the computer into mainstream religion, is their revenge. We are all nerds now. And we had better do our homework.
 
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I agree with the Colonel. Like any generalization, there are exceptions, but I think most of the hardcore D&D fans I knew from school (myself included) were at least somewhat socially marginalized within the school community. That began to change somewhat in college, as intellectual capital became increasingly valued within the social circle, and now that I'm an adult with a mortgage, fiance, and successful career many of those "nerds" I knew back then are prosperous, successful members of society while all the former jocks and members of the "popular" crowd are pumping gas for a living.

Ok, maybe that last part is something of an overgeneralization, but all the rest is true IMHO :). I see the "mainstreaming" of fantasy as just the latest strand in a broader trend of society catching on to the economic potential of an intellectual elite who just happen to have some quirky hobbies. I.e., people who were Tolkien and D&D fans in their youth are now adults with a lot of disposable income.
 

Krug said:
For all their ancient and futuristic trappings, fantasy stories speak directly to the condition of contemporary male adolescence, and they offer a Utopian solution to the anxiety and dislocation that are part of the pyschic landscape of youth. Freaks become heroes. The confusing issue of sex is kept at a safe distance; romantic considerations are ancillary to the fight against evil, and to the cameraderie of warriors
Just reading the snippets, methinks this reviewer's only exposure to fantasy is a too-extrapolated viewing of Spider-Man.

Fantasy has a very broad background, and not all in my memory put sex and romance "at a safe distance", and the ones that do probably did because of the target audience they were directed towards as well as the medium they were presented in (Comics Code, etc).
 


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reapersaurus said:
Just reading the snippets, methinks this reviewer's only exposure to fantasy is a too-extrapolated viewing of Spider-Man.

Fantasy has a very broad background, and not all in my memory put sex and romance "at a safe distance", and the ones that do probably did because of the target audience they were directed towards as well as the medium they were presented in (Comics Code, etc).

I don't mean to be insulting, but you kind of didn't say anything here.

What I mean is, you cancel out your own statement about fantasy having a broad background with the qualification concerning target audiences.

The vast majority of fantasy has been remarkably chaste when it comes to sex and romance. Only since the 1960s has the genre even begun to cover that ground in any serious way, and even then only in a relatively few books. In all the fantasy I've read - and believe me, I really have read a lot - sex and romance is rarely written about in a mature, adult fashion. Mostly it's dealt with in the Tolkien fashion - men placing women on impossibly high pedestals - or by way of the adolescent wish-fulfillment fantasies of Howard or Leiber. This becomes even more evident when one tosses comic books into the mix.

I'm sure that's changing, but not enough that the generalizations in the article cited are rendered invalid. The genre still has a ways to go in that regard.
 

Interesting attempt at analysis.

I think the author used the movie "Revenge of the Nerds" as a frame of reference.

As with the movie, at the heart of the article lies a small truth.
 

In some ways, Colonel, I agree with you. The article's generalizations are, broadbrushedly, true.

However, I get miffed at such generalizations: they marginalize some of my favorite fantasy literature and ignore important trends in fantasy/sf. And they confirm in people's minds that this is a type of storytelling best left to (and for) adolescent males. Which ain't the truth.

Sure, looking at blockbuster movies, the author has a point: other than Like Water for Chocolate, Princess Mononoke, Heavenly Creatures, and other foreign films, I'm having trouble thinking of fantasy films that don't star a young boy. But blockbuster movies are far from the only medium that deals in fantasy. Why not look at, for example, TV?

Popular SF/fantasy series recently have included:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (a female protagonist and many other females in the cast, with strong and difficult sexual themes in the storytelling)
Angel (male lead, strong females in the cast, some difficult sexual themes)
X-Files (male and female adult leads, sexual tension present but not usually remarked on)
Xena (two female adult leads, fairly cheesy sexual tension dripping from every orifice)
Sabrina the teenage witch (icky! female lead; I've no idea about sexual themes.)
Charmed (female leads; sexual themes)
Dark Angel (female lead; dunno about the themes)
Four Star Trek shows (three with male adult leads, all with strong females in the cast; sexual themes present but not primary)

I'm surely forgetting some shows, but I think this sample is representative: these fantasy/sf shows don't deal in the sexually-sanitized boy-hero tales that typify Hollywood fantasies.

Television doesn't support his thesis. Nor do such children's fantasies as Roald Dahl's, CS Lewis', or Lemony Snicket's, in which female leads are present (Dahl tends to have male leads, but some books, e.g., Matilda, break the pattern; Lewis and Snicket tend toward mixed-gender ensembles). I'd guess that HK Rowling is the exception, rather than the rule, in children's fantasy literature, inasmuch as she has only one girl among her main characters.

And then we could look at Ann McCaffrey. At Octavia Butler. At Tanith Lee. At Ursula Le Guin. These authors aren't minor figures in fantasy lit: they're front and center, some of the best-known authors out there. His article blithely ignores their importance.

Or we could look at Maus, a well known comic fantasy. Or at the Vertigo imprint. These aren't marginal works in the comic world. Again, however, he ignores them.

Folks like AO Scott read some Joseph Campbell, watch some summer blockbusters, and act like they're qualified to pontificate on the state, and meaning, of fantasy/sf literature. I don't get the impression that Mr. Scott knows the material well enough to comment intelligently: I think his article is poorly researched and reaches imprecise conclusions. And I think that by confirming people's prejudices about the genre, he does a disservice both to his readers and to the genre.

However, I admit that his generalizations are, generally, accurate. Just terribly imprecise.

Daniel
 

The only people who are concerned with the details of the genre are those who are fans of the genre. Those who aren't fans couldn't care less about movements within the genre. I could compare this to any other genre - those who aren't fans of Westerns generally only see one real division within that genre - Spaghetti Westerns and all the rest. But there were important changes and movements within that genre long before Clint headed to Italy. Does the average person know or care? Not really. The same holds true for mysteries.

The author of the cited article was looking at the genre from without, rather than from within. The writer sees the genre and its fans from a distance, and provides an analysis based on what is seen. We may not like it, and we may dispute it based on what are really, when you boil it down, inconsequential details, but it's accurate overall. If we don't like it, and we want it to change, then it's up to us to acceptour strengths and shortcomings, and try to change what we don't like. We can't change perceptions from without by making observers change their minds about what they see, or encourage them to look closer. If they had that kind of interest, they'd be fans. I think, though, that the article is pointing out that fantasy, as a genre, is becoming more and more accepted by the general population, and tries to figure out why. It's more of a sociological examination of the general public than of fantasy fans, so an in-depth overview of the genre would have been wasted space in the article.
 

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