OA Feats?

[reichtfeld]

Wizards isn't letting me download the Oriental Adventures errata and I have a question about two of the feats from the book. The OA FAQ explains that using Falling Star Strike takes up a use of the monk's stunning attack and can only be used once a round. Is this also the case with Freezing the Lifeblood? Hopefully someone with the errata can answer this for me. Likewise, does Unbalancing Strike take up a use of stunning attack and/or can it only be used once a round? If it takes up a use of stunning attack then that's absolute bulldung, since it'd be a waste of a feat--just use stunning attack to replicate the effect and deny the target an action. Yet if the feat can be used with every single attack then that would be unbalancing, pun intended. I'm inclined to believe that it doesn't use up a stunning attack and can be used 1/round, 3+Wis modifier times/day, or some other deal. Anyone with errata on that? I'm trying to figure out whether to go with a grappling monk or a dex/wis finesse monk and these feats certainly play into my decision.

 

[Mr Fidgit]

"p 62 and 64, For the Pain Touch, Falling Star Strike, and Freezing the Lifeblood feats, add the following sentence to the end of the entry: Using this feat uses up one of your stunning attacks for the day (either monk stunning attack or a use of the Stunning Fist feat)."

i didn't see a mention of Unbalancing Strike in the errata...

 

[reichtfeld]

Thank you, Mr. Fidgit. Now I'm a bit confused on how Pain Touch works if it takes an extra stunning attack to use. I'd assumed that it just added onto the effect of stunning attack without any cost but the feat itself. So how does this work now? Do you have to declare that a stunning attack is also a pain touch and use up two attempts before rolling your attack roll? Can you declare the attack is a pain touch after you've already rolled the attack and know you've hit? This makes the feat a loss let attractive, because wouldn't it make more sense to go ahead and make a stunning attack again the next round instead of spending a stunning attack to nauseate them? The feat has some steep prereqs. (19 wisdom is what I call steep using 25 pt-buy) and the size category limitation, so if you have to use two stunning attacks, one to stun and another to nauseate them the round after, I can't for the life of me figure out when you would want to use this. In that event the feat suffers from Circle Kick syndrome in my opinion--it's essentially worthless.

 

[reichtfeld]

I realize that Pain Touch is also in Sword&Fist, but the S&F errata and FAQ don't even touch the feat. Which would make me inclined to ignore the OA errata on Pain Touch and just have it as an after-effect of a successful stunning attack against legitimate targets.

Can anyone answer the question about Unbalancing Strike? Because as the feat is written, every successful attack the character makes (against a humanoid) would require the target to make a Reflex save to avoid being flat-footed. Or is this limited to one attack a round or so many times a day?

 

[Malin Genie]

We have declared it once per round alhtough unlimited uses/day, but as things stand that is a House Rule, not an official correction (and of course it cannot be stacked with any of the others to force two saves from the same attack...)

 

[reichtfeld]

Malin: That's what I think seems the most logical way to do it. Either that, 3+Wis mod/day, or something along those lines. I was just hoping someone had an official ruling from the Sage or something justified by the rules.