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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8071133" data-attributes="member: 7006">Heh heh... chicken and the egg innit?&nbsp; Did people not use components because designers provided workarounds, or did designer provide workarounds because players were already not using them?Truth be told, I'd have no problem with this game including what you posted.&nbsp; As I said originally... I think that if Morrus actually provided a set of Advanced rules on both spell components and handiness/object interactions (cleaned up, solidified, made into their own complete game system) then that'd be great.&nbsp; Useful to a lot of people who already use it... and a new, more complex system for others who might actually want to try and adopt it.&nbsp; Heck, I'd throw Encumbrance into this pot as well-- another system barely touched upon in 5E but which could have far-ranging consequences if their rules system was actually incorporated more fully into the game.But I suspect the ultimate problem is that even if Morrus was to create a more Advanced system for martials and casters on how to carry their equipment, pulling items in and out of their belts/pouches/backpacks during combat with one or more of their hands full, and the ease or difficulty of pulling certain types of things out for use... will that be a game system that most players would actually use?&nbsp; Honestly?&nbsp; I don't know.&nbsp; There are a lot of &quot;mini-games&quot; within D&amp;D, and I've never suspected the equipment handling &quot;mini-game&quot; to be one most people bothered with (which is why 5E provided all these workarounds in the first place.)So long story short... I think it will be kind of pointless for Morrus to just include 5E's current encumbrance / handiness / component systems as they currently are in this new game, because they don't serve either side.&nbsp; He should either make the system truly Advanced to be a fully integrated &quot;mini-game&quot; for players to deal with... or just remove almost all of the unnecessary chaff like [USER=12731]@CapnZapp[/USER] suggested and just simplify it down to its base (since that's what most tables already do anyway.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8071133, member: 7006"] Heh heh... chicken and the egg innit? Did people not use components because designers provided workarounds, or did designer provide workarounds because players were already not using them? Truth be told, I'd have no problem with this game including what you posted. As I said originally... I think that if Morrus actually provided a set of Advanced rules on both spell components and handiness/object interactions (cleaned up, solidified, made into their own complete game system) then that'd be great. Useful to a lot of people who already use it... and a new, more complex system for others who might actually want to try and adopt it. Heck, I'd throw Encumbrance into this pot as well-- another system barely touched upon in 5E but which could have far-ranging consequences if their rules system was actually incorporated more fully into the game. But I suspect the ultimate problem is that even if Morrus was to create a more Advanced system for martials and casters on how to carry their equipment, pulling items in and out of their belts/pouches/backpacks during combat with one or more of their hands full, and the ease or difficulty of pulling certain types of things out for use... will that be a game system that most players would actually use? Honestly? I don't know. There are a lot of "mini-games" within D&D, and I've never suspected the equipment handling "mini-game" to be one most people bothered with (which is why 5E provided all these workarounds in the first place.) So long story short... I think it will be kind of pointless for Morrus to just include 5E's current encumbrance / handiness / component systems as they currently are in this new game, because they don't serve either side. He should either make the system truly Advanced to be a fully integrated "mini-game" for players to deal with... or just remove almost all of the unnecessary chaff like [USER=12731]@CapnZapp[/USER] suggested and just simplify it down to its base (since that's what most tables already do anyway.) [/QUOTE]

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