OGC Wiki?

[Yair]

It could legally be done with one Section 15 for the entire site but I think that would make the site unusable.

The question is what an "entry" is. The entire Unearthed Arcana content could be put under a single Section 15, and so could a single feat.
Different sources should have different section 15s. I'm not sure how best to arrange it.

 

[Zelgar]

If there was a Section 15 per book, I think it would be a lot easier to reference the original material as well as preventing abuse of the OGL.

If you had updated material (e.g., Feat 1 is updated to 1b, then Feat 1 would refer to the original book, while feat 1b would refer to both the original book or feat and the new book)

Zelgar

 

[philreed]

I'm very confused that Phil would rather someone rip his OGC and make money off it than someone who just puts it out there for free...

I'm fairly certain I already stated that I feel anyone just reusing someone else's OGC -- and adding nothing to it -- is not using the OGL responsibly. I've also stated that this sort of use does not devalue the work -- only when it is released for free does the material lose value.

 

[jaerdaph]

On a related note:

Online Encyclopedia Tightens Rules

 

[jezter6]

I'm fairly certain I already stated that I feel anyone just reusing someone else's OGC -- and adding nothing to it -- is not using the OGL responsibly. I've also stated that this sort of use does not devalue the work -- only when it is released for free does the material lose value.

You did. But when someone asked which situation you preferred, you chose someone making money on your hard earned work. I would think that instead of making the value of your content $0, that someone else taking your content and making money would value it at a negative cost because that sale could have been your product tied to you.

I know you said it, I'm just confused as to WHY.

 

[philreed]

I know you said it, I'm just confused as to WHY.

Let's say that you go out and buy a few products tomorrow. In a few weeks you find that material from those products online, completely free (and legal). Will you think twice before buying more products? I think that for most people the answer is yes.

At least if it's reused in a commercial product the OGC still has value.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

Would you rather have publishers respect each other and attempt to, if not work together, at least be civil to each other or would you rather they go completely ruthless and attempt to undermine each other?

I'm not sure that invoking the law of the excluded middle is warranted here. They could also be casually indifferent to each other. It's not a case of A and NOT A, where A is mutual respect and NOT A is publisher wars.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

Let's say that you go out and buy a few products tomorrow. In a few weeks you find that material from those products online, completely free (and legal). Will you think twice before buying more products? I think that for most people the answer is yes.

At least if it's reused in a commercial product the OGC still has value.

I own a copy of Unearthed Arcana. It is also available online. I have shed no tears over having bought it, and I'm not going to check to make sure my future WotC purchases aren't composed of open content. I'm also not upset at having purchased the DMG, MM, and PHB, all of which I could get mostly complete from the SRD. I haven't bought the Expanded Psionics Handbook, which is in the SRD, mostly because psionics doesn't come up in my games that often. My threshold for purchasing a book is the point where a player asks me more than once per game to look something up for him in a PDF or SRD, because I'm the only one at the table with a laptop. I hate that.

 

[jezter6]

Let's say that you go out and buy a few products tomorrow. In a few weeks you find that material from those products online, completely free (and legal). Will you think twice before buying more products? I think that for most people the answer is yes.

At least if it's reused in a commercial product the OGC still has value.

point taken.

although if I just bought something, then I buy something else and I see the same content, i feel like my value went down because i paid twice for the same stuff.

I still see your point.

 

[Nellisir]

If there was a Section 15 per book, I think it would be a lot easier to reference the original material as well as preventing abuse of the OGL.

If you had updated material (e.g., Feat 1 is updated to 1b, then Feat 1 would refer to the original book, while feat 1b would refer to both the original book or feat and the new book)

Zelgar

I think a single S.15 for the site is better.

1 - It's simpler. If you have a different license for each source, what happens when you combine entries? What happens when you enter something from Publisher B, and the S.15 is 30 entries long?
2 - A direct OGC to source link is more likely to erode sales of the source than one in which the source cannot be directly identified. The originating source may not want to be identified for that reason.
3 - The more sources you enter into a single license, the fewer need to be entered as you accumulate material; you don't need to repeat sources( otherwise you would have 20 pages acknowledging the SRD alone). Size/page count isn't a constraint on the internet, and it might even act as a restraint on new products derived from that OGC repository.
4 - Authors & or publishers could grant permission (non-transferrable) to identify their original OGC, and/or link to their sales or personal sites.
5 - The size of the S.15, and many of Phil's personal business concerns, could be controlled by not taking OGC from products under, say, 30 pages long. Stick with the meaty stuff, in other words.[/list]
6 - One OGL per source still is no guarantee that the source can be identified.
7 - Repeat material is...not helpful. If feat "Cross Your Fingers" has multiple versions, then the "best" one should be up, not every version. For this alone there will probably need to be some sort of general oversight, and not a simple grand melee. Otherwise every twerp in the world will be nerfing/unnerfing/nerfing/unnerfing haste.

Cheers
Nell.