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<blockquote data-quote="FormerLurker" data-source="post: 8911005" data-attributes="member: 7031660"><p>A free account can be cancelled. But anyone that has bought any books might be less likely to cancel. </p><p>And, really, if it includes free accounts and non-subscribers that actually makes the 50k figure <em>less </em>impressive, as it draws from the pool of 10 million-plus users and not the much smaller pool of subscribers. And cancelling a free account means WotC hasn't lost any money. </p><p></p><p>Yes. It would. And if we'd been coordinating and actually working on the issue here instead of kvetching, we could have outlined a half-dozen key points and all posted them to the survey in an organized fashion. We could have identified more problems in the license beyond "deauthorizing."</p><p>Instead, the responses from posters here will be a handful of "keep the OGL 1.0s" results that will be discarded. </p><p></p><p>I haven't posted here in over a year and returned explicitly to call out the leaks are horrible and atrocious. To add my voice to the angry calls for WotC to do something, as I cancelled my DDB subscription and also planned to delist my DMsGuild products should WotC not favorably respond. </p><p>Now, I'm grimly accepting things. I don't want to let the perfect get in the way of the good. The OGL 1.0a is as good as gone, but we can at least make the 1.2 better and support 3PP. Work towards the least bad outcome, or even an "acceptable" outcome. </p><p></p><p>Yes and no. The alternative market is nice, but the numbers are too small to support many 3PP. Even Pathfinder 2 doesn't have the player numbers for many 3PP. </p><p></p><p>Sounds like an end to 3rd Party Products to me, as they can no longer sell enough copies to offset expenses. </p><p>For example, Kobold Press' Wastes of Chaos Kickstarter: <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepmagic/wastes-of-chaos-enter-the-5e-dnd-borderlands" target="_blank">Wastes of Chaos: Enter the 5E Borderlands</a></p><p>$212,559 pledged of $50,000 goal. If it was for a system with a quarter as many players, that'd be a quarter of as many backers, or maybe $53,140. Just barely funded. No stretch goals. No buffer or extra money. Maybe no profit. Instead of running a 3PP as a business and being self-employed it would just be a hobby people do on the weekend.</p><p></p><p>Maybe.</p><p>Any licensed game won't be part of ORC. Big names like Free League and Modiphius and Reengage aren't involved. Really, ORC seems to be a bunch of micro-publishers and OGL publishers who will just keep doing what they were previously doing.</p><p>I don't see many of the top games being Open. If they didn't share their rules with the OGL or Creative Commons, they won't with ORC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerLurker, post: 8911005, member: 7031660"] A free account can be cancelled. But anyone that has bought any books might be less likely to cancel. And, really, if it includes free accounts and non-subscribers that actually makes the 50k figure [I]less [/I]impressive, as it draws from the pool of 10 million-plus users and not the much smaller pool of subscribers. And cancelling a free account means WotC hasn't lost any money. Yes. It would. And if we'd been coordinating and actually working on the issue here instead of kvetching, we could have outlined a half-dozen key points and all posted them to the survey in an organized fashion. We could have identified more problems in the license beyond "deauthorizing." Instead, the responses from posters here will be a handful of "keep the OGL 1.0s" results that will be discarded. I haven't posted here in over a year and returned explicitly to call out the leaks are horrible and atrocious. To add my voice to the angry calls for WotC to do something, as I cancelled my DDB subscription and also planned to delist my DMsGuild products should WotC not favorably respond. Now, I'm grimly accepting things. I don't want to let the perfect get in the way of the good. The OGL 1.0a is as good as gone, but we can at least make the 1.2 better and support 3PP. Work towards the least bad outcome, or even an "acceptable" outcome. Yes and no. The alternative market is nice, but the numbers are too small to support many 3PP. Even Pathfinder 2 doesn't have the player numbers for many 3PP. Sounds like an end to 3rd Party Products to me, as they can no longer sell enough copies to offset expenses. For example, Kobold Press' Wastes of Chaos Kickstarter: [URL="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepmagic/wastes-of-chaos-enter-the-5e-dnd-borderlands"]Wastes of Chaos: Enter the 5E Borderlands[/URL] $212,559 pledged of $50,000 goal. If it was for a system with a quarter as many players, that'd be a quarter of as many backers, or maybe $53,140. Just barely funded. No stretch goals. No buffer or extra money. Maybe no profit. Instead of running a 3PP as a business and being self-employed it would just be a hobby people do on the weekend. Maybe. Any licensed game won't be part of ORC. Big names like Free League and Modiphius and Reengage aren't involved. Really, ORC seems to be a bunch of micro-publishers and OGL publishers who will just keep doing what they were previously doing. I don't see many of the top games being Open. If they didn't share their rules with the OGL or Creative Commons, they won't with ORC. [/QUOTE]
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